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  • ~kaos~
    Cocker Rocker
    • Jul 2020
    • 409
    • Bay St.Louis, MS.

    #1

    LPR troubleshoot trouble...

    So I picked up this little LPR with a few other items last week. As usual with used items I usually test, tear down, rebuild & retest.
    Well this simple little bitch is giving me a heck of a time. I hook it up to my bench test set-up... HPR @ 350psi screwed into an ASA
    that has a gauge port, then screw the LPR into the gauge port hole.... attach a gauge to the LPR nipple via Cocker lp line. I back the
    knob all the way off and then gas up the HPR. I'm figuring I'm probably gunna get a creeper.... but when the line pressures up nothing.
    It's holding zero, so I let it set for a couple minutes and its still holding. I'm thinking this isn't gunna need much so I start turning the knob
    to dial in some pressure.... the needle starts going up like normal and I stop it at 100psi and let it sit for a minute. Everything looks good
    so I cut the air to the HPR and bleed off the air at the lp gauge hose. So now the system is zero'd out. So I put the lp line back on and proceed
    to gas up the system again, figuring it should go to the previous setting of 100psi because I have not moved the LPR knob. So I watch the needle
    approach 100psi..... and I watch it pass 100.... 105....110...and it's not slowing down so I have to back off on the tank. So I go through the process
    of zeroing out the system and try again, same result. So I zero the system out again AND back the LPR knob all the way back off. I gas up the system
    and the the HPR gasses up but the LPR is holding at zero like it should, so I start cranking the knob down and set it to 100psi again.... all is good.
    That is until I zero out the system again and re-gas it.... it just blows past the previous setting of 100psi and keeps going.
    I have tried 4 different o-rings on the plunger, different duro as well. I have tried different lubes and different springs. NONE of those changes has any
    effect. The end result is always the same...... it woks only if you start with the system under pressure & the LPR zero'd out, then dial the pressure setting
    to where you want it. I have never had an LPR do this.... any ideas?


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  • Seajay
    Spyder Cocker Noises
    • Jul 2020
    • 769

    #2
    Do you have the spring seat/piston upside down by chance? 3rd item from the left on the picture. It sounds like you got all the other troubleshooting steps covered, so the last time I had a creeping LPR was because I had one of the pistons or seats backwards. Really easy to do.

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    • ~kaos~
      Cocker Rocker
      • Jul 2020
      • 409
      • Bay St.Louis, MS.

      #3
      Good suggestion, however...... Looking at the bottom pic at the piston, the nub on the left that the spring couples to is "solid".
      The nub on the right has a hole in the center about 3/32" that allows the stem of the dup seal assembly on the right to fit in.
      If it was to be reversed the shaft would have less distance and would protrude 3/32" further out on the right not allowing the
      nut assembly to screw in. Appreciate the suggestion tho...

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      • Chuck E Ducky
        Ragnastock Enforcer
        • Jul 2020
        • 6273
        • NY

        #4
        What kid of LPR is that? Could it be missing a piece of the puzzle?

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        • ~kaos~
          Cocker Rocker
          • Jul 2020
          • 409
          • Bay St.Louis, MS.

          #5
          Originally posted by Chuck E Ducky
          What kid of LPR is that? Could it be missing a piece of the puzzle?
          That is where I ended.... same thought. It looks similar to a Karnivor but have no way of knowing for certain.
          Maybe a small 0-ring where the stem of the cup seal passes thru inside??

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          • Jordan
            I. Am. Canadian. 🇨🇦
            • Jul 2020
            • 3508
            • Southern Ontario, Canada

            #6
            Originally posted by Chuck E Ducky
            What kid of LPR is that? Could it be missing a piece of the puzzle?
            It's a WGP Tickler LPR - all the pieces are there.

            I would suspect it's the "cupseal" assembly... I have a similar LPR with nearly the same issue and am going to be changing that part to see what happens - just needed to find where I put my replacements. (Autocockerparts.com sells them.)

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            • ~kaos~
              Cocker Rocker
              • Jul 2020
              • 409
              • Bay St.Louis, MS.

              #7
              I saw the parts drawing for the '04 wgp Cocker.... it has the same guts. Seems to have an o-ring listed/shown just before the cup seal shaft.
              However, no size or placement given

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              • ~kaos~
                Cocker Rocker
                • Jul 2020
                • 409
                • Bay St.Louis, MS.

                #8
                THIS........... Click image for larger version

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                • ~kaos~
                  Cocker Rocker
                  • Jul 2020
                  • 409
                  • Bay St.Louis, MS.

                  #9
                  Hmmmm.... I'm gunna guess that these weren't designed to be taken apart, no threads on
                  shaft or cup and heat was needed to remove the o-ring out of the cup assembly

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                  • Jordan
                    Jordan commented
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                    Correct - non-serviceable, replace as a unit.
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