Spyder guts id

[Sharkytrav]

I remember getting the diamond lab bolt but couldn’t remember if I got the valve too before upgrading markers. Seems like I have seen photos of the DL valve recently and it wasn’t quite like this.

what do y’all think? Stock? Or DL? Maybe something else?
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[Sharkytrav]

Follow up question, any lpc’s available out there?

also, does the striker have to be so heavy? That thing weighs a ton.

[Sharkytrav]

Furthermore... are lightning bolts much lighter than that DL bolt? That also weighs a bunch.

[OpusX]

Looks like a stock valve and a fatty striker. Why is the bumper between the striker and the valve? Those fatty strikers are just heavy, no way around it (unless you find an Alamo City Delrin Striker...good luck).

[Sharkytrav]

No reason, it fell there when I pulled everything out and I made a rough attempt to put things in a line after that

[Sharkytrav]

I mean, after decades of research, I found that to be the secret of extreme efficiency in this platform. Everyone should immediately change their setup to this configuration.

[scottieb]

Hard to accurately see the color of the bolt on my mobile, but is it blue? Or black that has a bluish look to it?

The valve looks stock.

AKA Lightning bolts are lighter.

As stated already, fatty strikers have a lot of mass and are heavy. And the bumper goes to the rear of the striker with the spring running through it.

[Sharkytrav]

But... the decades of research!!

[Sharkytrav]

Bolt is blue. I thought I remembered that to mean it is the titanium version, but there has been a lot of alcohol consumed since that purchase so y’all probably know better than I.

you can just make out a bit of the logo on this one.
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[scottieb]

Yes, Diamond Labs bolt. Very nice! They aren't easily found.

[GanonsGrin]

Diamond Labs Titanium Pro bolt and definitely looks like a stock valve

[Sharkytrav]

Lighter strikers exist, so the weight on the striker isn’t a feature of the part? It can be lighter and do the same job?

Manufacturing Delrin strikers must be too expensive or someone would have picked up that torch already I guess, right?

[Fubarius]

Actually, a lighter striker won't do exactly the same job. It's basic physics.

To crack the valve open on impact you use the force of momentum of the striker. And momentum is Mass X Velocity (and that's how fast the striker is moving, not ball velocity). To get the valve to open the same amount with less mass, means a needed proportional increase in the velocity of the striker. That mean a much stronger main spring. Stronger main spring means more tension on the sear so a harder trigger pull. And it means recocking the gun takes more air to ram that striker back enough to get it to cock.

Now if you can get the valve to be easier to open (lower input pressure, lower valve spring, a bit different valve design, etc.) then you can maintain the stock striker velocity and thus main spring tension and reduce the hammer mass. But then you're messing with multiple variables at once, makes things kind of tricky.

Also do consider that when the gun is firing you count the mass of the both the striker and bolt together, since they're connected. So a significantly lighter or heavier bolt can alter how much the valve is opened.

[Sharkytrav]

Well said, so I guess that is my question. Does the stock spyder work because it is a balanced system?

Or is it way overpowered for opening forces with no repercussions because closing forces are also very strong

[GanonsGrin]

Alamo City is the only group I know of who made Delrin strikers, and they are becoming extremely tough to find these days. I don’t think they were made in great numbers, and the people who have them tend to hold onto them. You really only need one if you’re working on an LP spyder though