Sheridan 12g Efficiency Revisited

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  • jonbobshinigin
    Bunker Buster
    • Apr 2025
    • 134

    #1

    Sheridan 12g Efficiency Revisited

    In the early/mid 2000s, some of my very best memories of paintball was at a Waynes World 24hr Scenario in Florida. My best friend and my brother rocked that place and at night time, with PGP2Ks and homemade rain covers. The things were absolute hammers, though I polished the barrels. At the time, paintballs fit the bore and with the high-viz sites, they hit where we aimed. It has been while, but I recall managing 20 balls or so out of a 12 gram. Like many others, I love the feel of old brass, but with paint sizes AND the poor efficiency...I do not see them getting much game time. Only recently did I get my old guns back operating and have been enjoying tinkering. So...I would like to organize some information and data here regarding 12g Efficiency and Sheridans. Everything I have managed to find has been very abstract and not concrete.

    As it turns out, I own an App called Ballistic-X which measures shot groups in the firearm world. While I am not a math guy myself, I do nerd out on some data!

    The following will be edited and added to as credible sources are cited and verified (will likely be a mess to start):

    1. Sheridan Paintball guns were adapted from Sheridan pellet guns which seems to not be optimized for efficiency.
    2. Sniper/Autocockers were very similar in design in format with short hammer travel.
    3. Nelson Valves are inherently more efficient at least in part because of hammer travel distance.
    4. Palmers seemed to do the most in pioneering efficiency which became less relevant as paintball evolved with CA.
    5. Palmers maxed out on the efficiency of tuning Sheridans which prompted them to make their own platforms with different dimensions.
    “As compared to the Sheridan setup, the valve chamber volume is much larger, a lighter hammer travels almost three times as far before striking the valve, there is no pre-load force on the valve when the hammer is forward and each burst of gas is allowed to reach its full potential.”
    6. Modded Sheridans managed almost doubling their efficiency when tuned properly. This included opening transfer port, minimizing 12g pierce depth, and reducing volume in valve.
    7. Hammer Travel is limited by Bolt. Spring compresses very little and has zero preload.
    8. Overbore barrel is likely reducing efficiency by 20% or so.

    Questions:

    1. Why do Sniper/AC manage better efficiency even though they have similar design, hammer travel, etc?

    - Details on approach -

    Valve Work:

    Cartridge Valve (P68, Late PGP, PGP2k)- Limited improvements here compared to Component. Common mods are sharpening pierce pin to minimize hole in 12 gram, opening transfer port, milling groove for second O-ring on valve body exterior.


    Springing: Increasing force of hammer
    Last edited by jonbobshinigin; 08-30-2026, 10:21 PM.
  • jonbobshinigin
    Bunker Buster
    • Apr 2025
    • 134

    #2
    Various Platform pics and data will go here.

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    • jonbobshinigin
      Bunker Buster
      • Apr 2025
      • 134

      #3
      Baseline Gun Efficiency Goes here...I will re-test and isolate variables later but this gets a format going anyhow:

      2k WGP Sniper:

      Stock Valve
      Vertical PPS Stabilizer to Bottom Line Quick Changer
      14" JJ Barrel Freaked ti accept XL, matched to .675
      Quick Change to Bottom line
      One shot was not accounted for as first ball did not load
      80 degrees in Shade, fired once every 8-12 seconds
      After shot 23, 12g released a tiny spurt upon removal

      2k WGP Sniper No Reg/Heavy Spring: 26 Shots above 300 FPS

      Stock Valve
      No Reg - Quick Change direct to VASA
      14" JJ Barrel Freaked ti accept XL, matched to .675
      3 shots taken shooting balls 15 feet
      Heavy Spring Added
      80 degrees in Shade, fired once every 8-12 seconds
      After shot 22 I ran out of paint and dry fired until 26 shots. On Shot 27, 12g dumped out barrel

      PMI-1: 17 Shots

      Stock Everything, Fresh Rebuild
      Wedgit Style detent keeping ball in place
      .690 Bore with .675 Paint
      One Puncture shot
      1st Round at 302 FPS
      After 23rd round at 179 fps, big spurt from 12 gram removal

      PPS Blazer: 32 Shots

      Pump Mode/LPR Bolt Out
      Vertical PPS Stabilizer to Bottom Line Quick Changer
      PPS 10" Brass Barrel w/Wedgits - .690 Bore and .675 paint
      80 Degrees in Shade
      Green Circle = Double Feed which broke paint
      Red Circle was next ball with dirty barrel
      Final Shot was after cleaned breach and 3 minute pause
      Last edited by jonbobshinigin; 08-31-2026, 07:13 PM.

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      • jonbobshinigin
        Bunker Buster
        • Apr 2025
        • 134

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        • jonbobshinigin
          Bunker Buster
          • Apr 2025
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          • jonbobshinigin
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            • Pyrate Jim
              Shi Tamajutsu Ka
              • Aug 2020
              • 685
              • The Group W bench

              #7
              Throw a Splatmaster into the mix.
              It's old, it's plastic, and gets more balls downrange on a single 12g than any other I own. Considerably More.
              And I have more than a few markers to compare it to.

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              • jonbobshinigin
                jonbobshinigin commented
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                That would be Nelson Valve right? Would love solid velocity data if you can provide it.
            • DocsMachine
              MCB Member
              • Jul 2020
              • 2772
              • Alaska

              #8
              Originally posted by jonbobshinigin
              3. Nelson Valves are inherently more efficient at least in part because of hammer travel distance.
              -Efficiency has little to do with how fast or far the hammer travels. It has everything to do with how much the gas is allowed to expand before it hits the ball. A 12 gram carries a fixed amount of energy- energy stored as a compressed gas. You let that gas expand, without doing any work, and that energy is wasted.

              We all know that if you had an old-style Automag with a big expansion chamber and that old coil of hose wrapped around the feed neck, that if you tried to run that on a 12-gram, you'd be lucky to get maybe two shots, tops. That's because most of the energy in that cartridge went to uselessly expanding into the chamber and hose. You pulled the bowstring all the way back, but then let it ease forward almost all the way before releasing the arrow.

              So a Nelson gun is generally more efficient than a Sheridan-valved one, in very large part simply because the volume the gas charge is allowed to expand into, is considerably smaller than that in a Sheridan.

              In a Nelson, after the cup seal, all there really is, is a small-diameter power tube, and a slightly larger diameter bolt passage. No twists or turns, and minimal extra space for the CO2 to expand into.

              In a Sheridan, after the cup seal, there's the volume in the valve, the transfer port through the body, then into the bolt. Two right angles, which themselves absorb some of the energy, and just as a rough guess, at least twice the overall volume for the gas to expand into. And that doesn't count the cavernous "high flow" 'Cocker bolts that are so popular these days.

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              • jonbobshinigin
                jonbobshinigin commented
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                Agreed, though the stacked and compressed spring of Sheridans is less efficient than that of Autocockers.

                Somehow though, Palmers did manage to get their Sheridan style pumps into the 40 shot range, which is impressive. Can you weigh in on any of those methods?
            • Hellion360
              Power Lurker
              • Jul 2020
              • 2498

              #9
              PPS addressed the flow path with an angled outlet on the valve and removed excess space in the valve
              I think more importantly they addressed hammer bounce.

              My findings have been that in Sheridans and Snipers that a lot of gas is lost to hammer bounce not just valve efficiency. Many of the valve modifications allow for reduced hammer striking force. This makes it easier to reduce hammer bounce.

              My top efficiency 12gram unregged Snipers all have these qualities:
              -small valve chamber (preventing too much early expansion)
              -small inlet valve and heavy valve spring (quick open and close)
              -bolt with 3 orings, small inlet, and small outlet (preventing too much early expansion)
              -hammer that doesn't press against the valve stem when not cocked and that doesn't bounce back to open the valve making a quack noise. I use a short heavy hammer spring rather than a longer light one. The sound should be a clean pop. My 12 gram snipers are very quiet as they are not using more gas than needed. I tend toward lighter hammers as well.

              General efficiency 30+ full velocity shots. (above 270fps) I got 34 shots on my test the other day with a new build.

              Regulated 12 gram setups gain efficiency by shooting lower in to the cartridge but lose efficiency to wasted space. I think the real gain with regulation is ease of setup, and light springing. It is a snap to get 30+ shots off a regulated setup even when using a bottomline 12gram setup. (Hawaiian or Stock Changer)
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              • jonbobshinigin
                jonbobshinigin commented
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                This all is exactly in line with my findings! Nice info. Have you done any work optimizing Sheridans?

              • Hellion360
                Hellion360 commented
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                Yes, it is essentially the same system. Just easier to find parts for Snipers which makes experimenting easier. Not being able to match bores on Sheridans is a challenge though. As good bore match matters for efficiency.

                I doubled the efficiency of my KP quite easily in this way. It gets 30, up from like 16.
                My single shot pgp pistol gets 35

                I expect that if I could consistently find paint at .685 that my PG and PMI would hit 35. My Superstocker was 35ish with no issue.

              • jonbobshinigin
                jonbobshinigin commented
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                Super cool. Please keep following and contributing to this post as it progresses.Can you share more specifics about work done to the Sheridan?
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