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    Alternative solenoid shoe-horned into Ego 7. Marker back from the grave.

    I recently went down a rabbit hole of trying to find a suitable replacement for the solenoid in an ego 7. Long story short, after cannibalizing a working solenoid from a donor marker, I was left with a nice ego and no solenoid to drive it.

    Ego 7/8 solenoids have been NLA for a while, and used working ones are ~$180 if you can find one to buy (good luck). Full working markers in nice shape seem to run $300 - so a broken solenoid is a big hit.

    After some great discussions with rawbutter and trying out a solenoid that was not quite right I intensified my search for something usable.

    The Ego 7 and 8 use the MAC 43A-ADA-RDUJ-OBA solenoid. It is essentially a custom version of the 43A series MAC 5V solenoid with a cut down body and a specific configuration of its porting that can mate with a custom air manifold.



    At its core though its a 5 way solenoid - it can direct an air input one of 2 ways based on it's solenoid being on/off. Additionally when air is not being fed to one of those two directions, the off side is vented off to atmosphere.

    Enter the 43A-AAA-RFEJ-OBL



    This is essentially the same solenoid, also at 5Vdc, but with M3 Threading for all 5 of its ports. The air ports are also only on the top or bottom of the solenoid (unlike the original where the "vents" were on both the bottom and top giving the manifold access to all 5 ports on one side). Airsoldier used to have these for cheap but no longer has them , I snagged this one on Ebay .

    No need (or room) for the manifold with the M3 ports.

    So, If I could make it fit, It should work.


    Note in this pic that I actually used the old solenoid "cap" off the old solenoid and mounted it on the spool block from the new solenoid. It just unscrews easily on and off. Probably not necessary, but this ensures I am using the original 4.0 watt 5vdc solenoid (versus 4.7), and also saves some space with the wires pointing down.

    Of course that would not have worked if the actual solenoid (and not the spool) was blown.

    Additionally, this swap of the solenoid "cap" its self would be an easy way to use a MAC 43A solenoid from this series that was otherwise correct but the wrong voltage (like say 12V or 24V)





    Bit of a snug fit to get it all in, but it fits!

    Air comes in from the LPR to one port, and leaves the solenoid through 2 lines to either the QEV and rammer forward, or the rammer reverse barb.

    To make it all fit I had to remove the microswitch from the board and thus only use the optical trigger switch.

    Marker fires great, chronos great and my testing at home shows solid potential - its ready for a field test!

    I had to up the dwell from 12.5ms to 15ms for consistency. Might be due to the ego 8 board I am using in this ego 7, with the 7 having 1 less QEV, or perhaps the slightly longer LP hose length.

    Quite encouraging - Ill report back when it gets a field test, though it may be some time

    One final thought - There's no reason that I can see which would prevent this solenoid from being cut down into the shape of the originals - A skilled machinist I imagine could shave off the extra meat and witha better selection of hose babrbs perhaps make enough room for the microswitch to come back.
    Last edited by caylegeorge; 04-26-2021, 05:29 PM.

    #2
    Wow you did what nobody could figure out for years. This was a common problem when people put aftermarket grip screws threw there solenoid housings. Good to know I can keep my 08 and the Sl74 going for a long time.

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      #3
      Nominated for post of the year.

      Caylegeorge is a true classic style MCB hero fixing problems by messing around. Now to find out what other obsoleted EGO's can use this noid since a lot of planet eclipse solenoids are no longer available.

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      • Chuck E Ducky

        Chuck E Ducky

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        I think the older ones you can still get. Because they used a different style and are still produced. The ones that were most difficult to find were the 07-08 it took an uncommon noid. Looks like we may have found a solution.

      #4
      I dont subscribe to much, but this is amazing
      https://www.mcarterbrown.com/forum/b...khaus-feedback

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        #5
        Fantastic. I knew you could do it.

        I'm also willing to bet that my contact can get you a MAC-43 that is designed for 4 watts. That way you don't have to use the old cap (although you might have to splice some wires to get the right connector on there).

        And I'm intrigued by the idea of milling off part of the solenoid for a better fit. That's a good idea. The MAC-43 does have a fair bit of "dead" material around the ports. (The left and right side of the image below.) Obviously you would have to be careful not to take off too much. Otherwise when you screw in the fittings, they will bump up against the poppets inside and mess things up. But you should be able to shave off a few millimeters.

        View my feedback or read about my Virginia woodsball club.

        Let me make you something. I build pneumags, auto-response frames, and wooden pill cases.

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          #6
          Rip my gorgeous gloss gold with gloss black 07 ego I couldn't fix and sold for pennies

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            #7
            This is brilliant. Absolutely brilliant.
            Feedback

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              #8
              I look forward to your field results. I bought a couple of egos like this over the years, but they would never work consistently. Perhaps upping the dwell would have remedied their issues.

              Is the noid mounted or is it held in place due to the small space and hoses?

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                #9
                Good to know other attempts have been iffy, definitely needs a good field test to see how it performs.
                powpowpaintball I'd love to know what solenoids other people had tried

                The solenoid is technically free floating, but there is so little extra space its in there pretty snug. Seems about the same as the original which is only held in by the hoses and manifold fitting tightly.

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                • powpowpaintball
                  powpowpaintball commented
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                  I'm pretty sure they were MAC43 variants, but I don't recall the exact part #s. Similar setup to yours with the removed microswitch.

                #10
                Dwell timing may need to be different with the longer air passageways, like powpow is saying.

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                  #11
                  I need a bunch of these solenoids. Like 30 of them. Any idea where I can get some?

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                  • rawbutter
                    rawbutter commented
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                    I'll send you a private message

                  #12
                  I want to buy at least one as well

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                    #13
                    Can markers be sent in to have this mod done? What’s the life expectancy of this model of the MAC 43A?

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                    • rawbutter
                      rawbutter commented
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                      The life expectancy of a MAC 43A is probably similar to the life expectancy of other MAC solenoids. The original solenoid inside the Ego 7 was a MAC solenoid, so the 43A will hopefully last as long as that one did.

                    • cameron.clark31
                      cameron.clark31 commented
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                      I want to know this too. I would definitely be willing to send mine somewhere to get this done.

                    • rawbutter
                      rawbutter commented
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                      I guess I could also comment that I've been using a similar MAC solenoid inside one of my pneumags for 6 or 7 years now, and it still works perfectly. I don't play as much as speedballers going to the field every weekend, but I've probably put about 50,000 shots through it. Is that a lot?

                    #14
                    Wow

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                      #15
                      I’m needing a solenoid please! where do I get one?
                      I just purchased a 08 ego and was not told the solenoid needed work🤦‍♂️. It Definitely clicks but missing something in the center of the noid and the valve body. Seems to be very lose and needing some kind of spacer or gasket.

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