Would you consider hopper ball limited paint?

[Jonnydread]

I was having a discussion with a walk on player and they mentioned that they will sometimes play limited paint. Being a stick feed/stock class/single shot enthusiast I got excited and asked him what he shoots, where he plays events, what styles he prefers, etc. He got the deer-in-the-headlights look and told me he just leaves his pod pack and plays with just a hopper. This got me to thinking, what do actually consider limited paint? I guess if you normally go onto the field with 800 rounds, only carrying 200 is technically limited paint, but in my head it's always been about limiting how much paint you have on your marker at one time. So if you shoot something with a stick feed, but carry a full Joyride, it's still limited paint. Same for magfed since most mags hold less than 20 rounds (barring box mags).

Thoughts?

[ChuckLove]

Limited Paint means different things to different people. When the NXL in Europe went to a 4 pod and 1 loader limit they considered that a limited paint format. I'd consider playing "hopper ball" with just one hopper full of 50-200rds being a limited paint format despite that being more paint than the average stockclass player would shoot. It depends on who you are and where you play.

[Jonnydread]

Very true. Context is everything.

[Tracker]

though i agree technically everything is "limited"

i would say anything you can accomplish without a pack is limited paint, you might be able to stuff a pod in your pocket, or some 10s and a few 12's

i view a full joyride the same way i do 4 pods, you got pretty much all the paint you can shoot

[Loophole]

I feel like that is an okay stepping stone into the scene of limited paint. If you are used to having 1000 rounds to shoot per game if needed and all of a sudden you only have 200. You are going to play at least slightly different. It isn't what I consider limited paint. I feel like limited paint is something you do to specifically limit your BPS. With those 200 rounds he can still shoot 10bps. If he swapped out that hopper for a stick feed on top it would lower his ability to shoot a high rate of fire. These days even Pump play with an autotrigger is barely limited paint in my eyes. You can easily hit 7bps with that sort of setup. Then again, I am used to stock class/single shot like a lot of your folks.. so our definition of limited paint is going to be quite a bit different than someone shooting 10bps ramping all the time.

[Cyberpyr8]

Even when I'm shooting an electro and playing rec, I bring 2-3 pods max and the hopper. So for me it would be a hopper to be considered limited. But my friends that play pump would think a 50rd hopper is limited. I guess what we really need to determine is what style of play each person should be able to carry. Magfed, semi, mech, pump...

[shooter311]

I have always considered hopper ball limited paint. I wouldn't put up an argument if anyone told me that they thought 4 pods, or stick feed is limited paint. I know it is completely subjective. Mostly when I play, I play pump with a 50 rd hopper, but recently I have been using a Halo TSA hopper which I assume holds like 150.

I went and played paintball in April, it was a very small woodsball course (you coudl see each other at start) and it was a random gaggle of people. I had my pump, but half the people showed up with electros and huge pod packs. I told them I was fine with any firing mode they wanted (I believe all went to ramping), but as soon as the game started they were just dumping tons of paint on the field. Since there was so much paint in the air and the bunkers/ trees were so heavily spaced out, it was just impossible to move from the first bunker, and the distance was so great, I couldn't get any snap shot kills in or anything. I argued we should try "limited paint" just hoppers, and everyone agreed for a game. What a difference! people were moving way more, 1 on 1 battles, run throughs, etc. Everyone agreed that was the better format, and we finished the last three games playing that way. They said that "limited paint" was the best way to play that field. I argued pump, but they thought I was crazy.

[Shaftski]

limited ROF or limited paint?

people seem to be talking about both.

ROF capping is just handicapping the launcher to even the playing field out some

limited paint, to me, is how much you are carrying on you.

played sunday w/ a mini set to 10.5bps, but only carried 300 rounds total, including hopper. forces you to shoot 3-5 shot intermittent bursts in order to get to the end of a game. not easy to do and requires a lot of discipline. that's limited paint.

stock class you can pack yourself up like a mule w/ 12grams and paint tubes, that's unlimited. You can always get to the end of a game if you carry enough, trigger discipline not required.

[Grendel]

There used to be a Limited Paint Players Club "ethos group" hosted by Shartley an old member on here. It basically a gentlemen's agreement to aim, use the least amount of paint to accomplish an elimination and voluntarily limit the amount of paint you bring on the field a game. Typically, at the time, it [limited] paint was a hopper full with no reloads and the upper limit being ~200 paintballs (typical Revy full). I think I have somewhere the "agreement" you pledged but that was basically it. Many of us who were playing outlaw at the time did "hopper ball" as our limited paint most having somewhere between 150 - 200 paintballs in a hopper of their choice. I tended to be closer to 100 as I prefer my Whalers that are pretty full at 1 old school pod of paint. No one wore pod packs with the exception of the stock guys who usually brought on the field around 10 tubes plus what was already in their marker.

Limited paint is not another term for stock class (as we defined it back then). You can use any marker any feed system but the players agree to an upper limit on the paint. Hell lots of us played limited paint in unlimited games. It was about you and your honor system and learning to accomplish eliminations without high rates of paint usage.

I'll look and see if I still have the pledge Shartley came up with and post my MCB Signature I have floating around here somewhere even has my LPPC patch/number.

Here is that sig with my LPPC #101

[Loophole]

I guess I always associated limited paint with limited ROF. This is my own misconception! Interesting to hear everyone's thoughts.

[Cyberpyr8]

I've seen 10 ball tournaments and you could shoot the 10 as fast or slow as you like. I wasn't thinking about caps but limits on paint.

[Loophole]

Neat! That sounds like a hell of a lot of fun.

[Cdn_Cuda]

I did as well until I got my SpecOps Mag. Going to have to learn trigger discipline.

[coyote]

At Sac pump day we would play a few rounds of "10 ball", or stock class hopper ball.

When I play my typical load out is a pocket hopper and 2 100 round pods feeding my sniper.

To me "limited paint" is a statement of format. It might "limit" how I already play, or it might not. I'm 23 years deep in this sport. My game has evolved to one based on a fundamental skill set. I move better with less paint. If I play my game at a high level I'll shoot a bag or two playing speedball or woodsball all day.

[XEMON]

I wouldn't consider that limited ...

For m the gray line is 50rounder hopper:
- anything bigger is definitely not limited paint
- anything smaller is definitely limited

but if you carry 500 round on your back, are you really limited paint? even if you only use 10rd feed?

[Mr. Hick]

I have always considered capacity of paint on the gun to be "limited paint" 10 round stick feeds considerably increases the difficulty of playing paintball in a walk on environment. Hopper ball is fine, but a skilled shooter with a T2, AT and a rotor can sling paint just as fast as I can shoot my stock emek. I considered the handicap being how many you can shoot at one sitting without disengaging from the firefight.

[Mr. Hick]

I try to keep in mind "different strokes for different folks." Basically though, I hate it.

[Cdn_Cuda]

I second Jonny’s statement. It’s training wheels for pumps. Take them off and be free!

[A.Greenleaf]

A/t gets on my nerves. I have been on the receiving end of someone just unloading on myself and a few other younger players with a/t at a pump day. One of the few times I have been angry at a pump event in recent history.

[packersrule729]

In a word? No

[Siress]

Grendel, so any amount of paint less than the physical limit of weight that I can bear is considered limited paint? Nah... It's a relative term. There are no wrong answers here.

[A.Greenleaf]

Purest. Lol.

[Grendel]

Siress, sure you could take the extremes of what I stated at a point of invalidating what I was asking packersrule729 but if you read my earlier post you would know that I do not look at it that simply. There is an element of intent vs. absolutes and your personal integrity. As I said already it is more about accomplishing your goals in the game using the least amount of paint on the field with maybe the ultimate is to go out with only your marker and one tube of paint and have fun for yourself and help others have fun too. When Shartley came up with LPPC years ago it was to counter the trend to spray and pray and flood lanes with fire to the point eventually you will hit and eliminate someone but not force players into playing Stock Class so that can use whatever they want. Shartley like to use his Squals which definitely did not qualify as stock class so he just limited the paint he brought on the field (few tubes of paint). I liked open class pumps and limited myself to a loosely packed Whaler (~70rds) and no pods to reload and many others did similar things with what they had.

[BrickHaus]

Id agree with most of above, but I feel 200 rounds is the max you can have for limited paint. ( aka hopper ball) even on a mech semi, a hopper can go fast in the right fire fight. So Id say its limited.

I also agree with the sentiment that running a stock class gun with a full joyride is also limited. Even though you have all the paint you need for many games, you have 150 rounds on your back plus what the gun holds. (171 for my walz)


That being said, Ill play full on, full auto open play games with my walz, and last the whole game. Ill also burn 110 rounds or so in the process. I don't go touting I'm a limited paint guy, but I personally consider it limited paint.

Look at it this way, if you burn less than half a case in a whole day of play, you played limited paint.

Funny story. At my last big game, I bought a case before the game. They were also giving bags of paint out for great play on field. I left with more than a case of paint that day as I was given a bag of paint for taking a stick when I was the last guy left. I burned less than my initial bag during the game.

[Chuck E Ducky]

When I think limited paint, I’m thinking Stick or Spring fed, Mag Fed minimalist type play. But I guess it can be wherever you set your limits. So I guess hopper fed could be considered limited. It surely could be played that way.

I think limited play is more a style or idea of play then an actual number. Its less expensive to play the less you shoot, and more challenging at the same time. You hone different types of skills playing with less paint. It makes you out play and out think your opponent it teaches you patience. The game is a lot of fun when you just slow it down.

[Grendel]

I think you have it pretty well (IMHO). Limited Paint is a limit on your playing style it is not based on what you play with for hardware. Stock Class or Modified Stock Class is by definition Limited Paint by the style of play but conversely Limited Paint is not necessarily Stock or Modified Stock Class. They are dictated by what hardware you can or can not use. That is why the LPPC [Limited Paint Players Club] was more of an ethos then a class of play.