I just realized tonight that I own about nine blow forward mechs. But I have never owned an AutoCocker. Do PPS semis count as Cockers for purposes of balance?
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From a purely technical view a semi PPS isn't an Autococker. That said any non WGP autococking "Cocker" isn't one either as WGP owns the name Autococker.
Are they Cockers? I'm going to say they're cousins to one as they're all Sheridan's modified to autocock. The thing that doesn't make them a Cocker for me is them not having the front block with pneus.
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Yeah I'm pretty much in the same ballpark as big red there. While they function really similarly, one of the big things that makes a cocker a cocker in my book is the modular design. You can't replace the LPR on a PPS , or the ram or the etc etc etc. You can't swap parts around because they are all built into the body. Makes a more compact marker but loses a bit of personality in my book.
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If you're referring to a W'Orr Games Products AutoCocker® then no, of course they're not.
If you're referring to them as auto-cockers, in the same way you'd refer to an Ego as a "stacked-tube rammer", a Shocker as a "spooler", or a blowback as either an inline or a stacked-tube, then yes, very much so. The Palmer's guns are very much auto-cocking mechanisms, with separated firing and automatic-recocking aspects.
Yes, they're an auto-cocker, but no, they're not an AutoCocker®.
Clear as mud, right?
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For purposes of balance, I would say no.Comment
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The red headed stepchild of one yes....Comment
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Considering that the PPS automated cocking system came out years before the WGP system.... might be the other way around.Originally posted by Ecapnation View Post
But like doc said, to some people, branding is very important. But as far as strictly operation, the PPS systems and WGP systems work the same. Same for the autococker knockoffs that were popular for a while.
The sovereign uses the same system, as did the chameleon and autotraccer. The Trojan was a little different with a spring return (rubber bands, lol).
The vector, rainmaker, and TS1 work slightly different but in the same general universe (ram driven bolt, spring loaded hammer). While we are going down the rabbit hole, the Sweeny gun has a sort of autococking system too, and there was that paintgun on "secret life of machines" that predate everything.Comment
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These kind of discussions is one of the reasons I enjoy MCB so much.
In depth nerd level of analysis. Fact based (mostly) arguments. Everybody who has something relevant to add, argue against, or even just agree to, gets to have his/her say. Last but not least - no matter any differences in opinion, the tone is always civil.Comment
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I think the real question he's asking is "Should I buy another paintball gun?" and the answer is yes.Comment
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I am sure Glenn would have something to say on this subject and I suspect he would say no not a cocker.
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I believe the correct way to determine this is empirically, through testing.
Buy an autococker (WGP, Inception, Shocktech, Resurrection, etc.), get it tuned/working, and shoot them both with your eyes closed.
Then tell us if you feel any difference.Comment
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The Lance is probably the closest:
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They've done a few over the years. I forget the proper name for the body style, but they're usually referred to as Swiss Cheese. Nuke on CC organized a run of 5 (?) about a decade ago, and then I think someone put together another run just a couple years ago. Though I think PPS has offered it basically on demand as well for people, just not advertised. -
Aren't those called AutoLances or something like that?
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Does/Did PPS make semiautos or would double action be a more fitting description?Comment
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The PPS setup with the 3-way in the grip IMO significantly changes the trigger feel, to the point neither Blazers or Phoon's feel much like a cocker.Comment
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Not even close, in my opinion. I'm a mechanical autococker fan first, but I also enjoy my Typhoon for its own unique feel.Originally posted by Redragoon View Post
One could be blind folded , and shoot an autococker, followed by an automag, followed by a Typhoon, and notice a distinct difference in feel between the 3 of them.
The trigger on my typhoon is, by function, a swing trigger. However, the way it is mounted in the trigger frame most definitely affects the way it feels.
The Typhoon trigger feels more "mushy," but not necessarily in a bad way. The trigger pull is also heavy, when comparing it to an autococker or automag. The Typhoon hammer springs are much stiffer than the stiffest autococker hammer springs.
The marker is quite heavy, and I think all that brass reduces perceived recoil. The marker is surprisingly quiet, and as accurate as any other marker when using quality paint.
I'd be hard pressed to keep a sustained ROF due to the heaviness of the trigger, but a quick 2-3 shot burst is easy enough.
I actually prefer playing with a stick feed mounted on the left feed, and tend to use my typhoon as if it were a pump i.e. 1-2 shots on target before ducking down and waiting for the return fire to end.
A PPS Typhoon has its own character among other semiautomatic markers, and that is what makes it so enjoyable. It is not the lightest or fastest marker out there, and it doesn't need to be. I like steampunk too, and it has a steampunk appeal to me.
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