Are you tired of not getting 100% barrel breaks?

[Fubarius]

In this particular context "Stopping" an intruder has a very specific meaning, one which you may not actually want to accomplish. A "stopped" intruder doesn't apologize for the intrusion, he gets hauled away in a body bag.

And while a 12 gauge pump is quite ideal for "stopping" an intruder it's also sadly quite effective at "stopping" your 16 year old son who's sneaking out after curfew and knocked over a vase, and "stopping" your daughter's boyfriend who's trying for a late night rendezvous and is tapping at your back window, or "stopping" the poor motorist who broke down on your block and is knocking at your door at 3am because he forgot his cell phone and needs to call a tow truck.

So no, a pepper ball won't "stop" an intruder. Might coax, persuade, deter, repel, or frighten off one though.

Alternatively think of it this way, a .50 bmg is extremely effective at "stopping" a deer from munching on your front flower bed, but it's not something you want to be firing off in your front lawn.

[Trbo323]

Um, you gents might be missing the point a bit.

It's a pepperball accessory, not for actual paintball. The idea here is that yes, the pepperball is used in close-range self-defense. The bad guy rarely stands 30 feet away and patiently waits for you to aim and fire.

No, what usually happens is the bad guy is threatening you directly- very often within arm's reach. Very few muggers stand out at the 50-yard line and shout "stick 'em up!"

A pepperball at close range is more impact damage than pepper deterrent. This device shatters the ball, so you're blasting a spray/cloud of the 'pepper' dust, which can have more effect at very close range.

Doc.

No I think we understand it well enough. I tend to also believe that something like this is also going to do just as much harm to the user as the intended target. Which admittedly isn't much but still, how effective is it going to be if it's doing the same harm to both parties?

It's not like there is a lot of "pepper" element in a 43, 50 or even 68 cal ball, now you want to break that open at the muzzle and spray it? You will lose all (what little there is) impact force as well. Even the little pepper spray cans that women can carry as a handheld item or in a purse will have more spray in them than the combined load of multiple shots from something like this and be able to be directed better.

You might as well shoot rubber bands or nerf darts at someone. Hell, paintballs

12g and be done. If you are worried about lethality load at least the first few with target, beanbag or rock salt rounds. That way the first few can be "less than lethal" and the follow up shots are all business if the confrontation isn't over by then

Personally I really hate this whole concept (if you can't tell) of pepperballs. I believe it's the companies that sell these looking to make money over giving someone something that will actually keep them safe.

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[The Hobbit]

I mean I still want to run a game, with consenting and aware adults, where everyone has 1 or 2 pepper balls loaded in their hoppers. Mostly for the stupidity enjoyment of it.

[Brokeass_baller]

The Hobbit have you ever been pepper sprayed? It isn't fun. And once it gets into the air, everybody around is affected. You do you, but I promise there will be no "enjoyment" of it.

[The Inflicted]

Personally I really hate this whole concept (if you can't tell) of pepperballs. I believe it's the companies that sell these looking to make money over giving someone something that will actually keep them safe.

It seems like they're being sold much more widely now, too. A few years ago it the Pepperball stuff was only available to law enforcement, prison, and other such professionals. Now anyone can buy them online. I'm especially seeing those weird Byrna pepperball competitor guns being sold in all kinds of stores.

[Trbo323]

It seems like they're being sold much more widely now, too. A few years ago it the Pepperball stuff was only available to law enforcement, prison, and other such professionals. Now anyone can buy them online. I'm especially seeing those weird Byrna pepperball competitor guns being sold in all kinds of stores.

Yeah I think it all started when the tipx design was either licensed or copied (I tend to believe licensed based on the price) and started being sold as a "home defense" platform.

After that started, the companies realized that Joe blow doesn't want to go through the paperwork process and/or responsibility of owning an actual firearm that he probably doesn't know how to use anyway. Pepperballs are still shot from a "gun" but don't have the pesky side effect of holes in the target so Joe feels safer. The price doesn't really matter, many of these are being sold for firearms prices and above normal tipx prices. So these companies are getting to offer Joe something that looks like a gun, shoots something, can be marketed and sold at firearm prices but much of the construction is plastic and aluminum over steel and all they have to do is convince him that it will protect him in a life or death scenario which is a pretty low chance of happening to everyone they sell one to.

Also, if Joe dies in that scenario it's not like the backlash comes back onto the pepperball company for selling Joe something that didn't work, if the intruder gets scared away they get positive marketing however.

To be clear, I do think there are applications for pepper balls, it's just not the one size fits all solution they tend to be marketed as and I hate it when products get sold based on ignorance and especially this case because the consequences are pretty detrimental

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[TF_Aloha]

ANNOUNCING THE NEW SPLITSHOT F/A!!!!!

Same range and crippling backsplash as the original, but now in a lighter weight, higher capacity, and FULL AUTO FIRING VERSION!!!!!

Only $179.95 exclusively from ANuS!

[Trbo323]

$180 for a can of Mace with a trigger frame? Am I just really out of touch with how much pepper spray cost these days? That seems really high

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[TF_Aloha]

The original ShitSplot is $102, and it's just a roughly fit muzzle brake with a blade in it. It's semi-auto, only has a 6-shot capacity, and doesn't even come with the gun, which is over $300!

The Splitshot F/A includes the gun, and allows for continuous firing with a single trigger pull! It's clearly the evolution of the ShitSplot, and when you consider the savings on the gun, the F/A is a real bargain!

[DocsMachine]

You're not justified in using this unless you are being threatened with serious bodily harm, in which case, why are you using a less-lethal weapon?

-Quite a few reasons, really.

One, you're an ex-felon and not allowed to own a firearm. These are airguns and thus still legal to own. ("Dog the Bounty Hunter" fell under this, and arguably started the trend- he carried something like a TipX filled with Pepperball, since as an ex-felon, he wasn't allowed to own a gun.)

Two, you're a regular pot smoker. According to Federal Law, if you're a regular drug user, you're also not allowed to own a firearm. And more than a few people have been surprised to find out that yes, that includes weed.

Three, you live in California or Chicago or Washington DC or any one of a hundred other places that either outright ban or make owning a firearm extremely difficult.

Or four, you have personal compunctions against potentially gravely injuring or killing another human being, and would prefer a non-lethal option.

And, arguably, five, because it IS 'non lethal', the... "window of justification", for want of a better phrase, is a lot wider. IE, you can shoot at the guy trying to steal your catalytic converter, whereas you're not allowed (in most places, Texas might be different ) to shoot him with a firearm.

Doc.

[Fubarius]

Case in point on the catalytic converter.

[Trbo323]

Case in point on the catalytic converter.

But the product above would have prevented this from working....

there's a few other problems as well

1) cat thief and home intruder are two very different scenarios. Cat thief is going after something that they can hopefully get WITHOUT any confrontation at all. Home intruder, unless they fully believe you are not at home is going in with the district possibility of confronting you.

2) since cat thief is trying to avoid you, you can come out of the house with a spatula in your hand and the chances are much much higher that they are still going to run away. Home intruder is already in your house, if they come in prepared for a confrontation it then becomes a scenario of what it will take to stop them or at a minimum convince them you are not worth the effort. Is that a scenario that you really want to use half measures for with no possibility of applying more force if plan A fails?

Can of Mace (hell get a big can of bear mace) or a Taser gun are much better options than pepperballs and fit all of docs criteria above (that I'm aware of at least, not like I'm bothering to research what weapons felons can legally own)

Get something that is designed for self defense not modified sports equipment.

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[Axel]

Meh.

I can't respond further without going political, so I won't. 😁

[Trbo323]

To get us back on topic though, can anyone answer why some plastic with a razor blade meant to cut open a pepper ball is $102???

I mean I've heard of mark ups but damn

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[Brokeass_baller]

To get us back on topic though, can anyone answer why some plastic with a razor blade meant to cut open a pepper ball is $102???

I mean I've heard of mark ups but damn

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Once you add the words "safety", "defense", "commercial", or "industrial" to a product, the price skyrockets.

[Axel]

Ah, so it's the retail equivalent of typing "RARE" into an eBay listing

[Trbo323]

Once you add the words "safety", "defense", "commercial", or "industrial" to a product, the price skyrockets.

Ha! Solid point

Shouldn't all paintball masks be about $150 minimum then?

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[The Inflicted]

Ha! Solid point

Shouldn't all paintball masks be about $150 minimum then?

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I think the idea is that the buyers we're talking want here are potentially using taxpayer money, not their allowance.

[Brokeass_baller]

I think the idea is that the buyers we're talking want here are potentially using taxpayer money, not their allowance.

LMAO. Good point!