Help me understand CCM

[automeister]

CCM's are generally sought after by many but I would like a better knowledge of why these are superior to other alternatives. I am open to anecdotal responses or empirical data

[iamthelazerviking]

The build quality, fit and finish, tolerances, attention to detail. Just all around high quality. They come with a great reg, ASA, and even nice sleek ano matched fittings. They just feel (and look) incredible.

[Jonnydread]

My one disagreement with this statement is the regs. The regs are FINE, but they seem to have a lifespan. I know multiple people (myself included) who have had issues with CCM regs failing for weird or seemingly no reasons.

[Cdn_Cuda]

Yes, when my brother-in-law ran CCMs he'd have issues with the regs sometimes as well.

[SignOfZeta]

The build quality, fit and finish, tolerances, attention to detail. Just all around high quality. They come with a great reg, ASA, and even nice sleek ano matched fittings. They just feel (and look) incredible.

Yep. There’s no magic and only occasionally innovation. They are simply the nicest guns out there. Top tier USA machining. The old fashion version of “good”.

[Cdn_Cuda]

CCM was (is) a small custom shop that made great markers at a good price point. Their markers and parts were always well made and set pretty much the gold standard at the time. Because of that, they have an extremely good reputation and their parts became favoured by players/builders. As time went CCM did a lot less paintball production and the flow of markers slowed to a trickle, because of that prices have shot through the roof for CCM products as the demand is high, but new markers/productions are few and far between. The collector market then compounded the demand and prices are quite frankly stupid. CCM is still a great shop and still makes great products.

One plus of this is it has made room for new players, like Mozak, to be able to come in at a more competitive price point than similar used CCM products giving his products a much better bang for your buck. I have note used a Mozak frame, but they look very nice and people seem to really like them.

[ramagupa]

i think the magic in ccm markers is the tolerances. i am not huge on their regs or their asas. their regs because i have heard they have a operating pressure they specifically like and the asa because the knob doesnt lock in.

other than that its hard to beat the feel of a well put together ccm. second to that is a "ccm'd" sniper.

that being said, tune any marker to how you like it and it'll put a ball downrange.

the ccm aspect is more for the staging area for people to admire and diddle your gun in awe. i personally dont pay attention to how my markers feel while shooting in game

edit: ive owned about 4-5 ccm markers and ton of other pumps. other pumps just dont compare.

[Jonnydread]

CCMs are undeniably great markers with a fantastic build quality, but at their heart they are just cocker pumps. At the current prices they are fetching I have a hard time justifying the expense.

If you want the best of the best and an auto trigger, they're great.

[Chuck E Ducky]

CCM just make the best out of the box pumps.

Can you build a better pump absolutely!

Can you build a cheaper pump absolutely!

Can you build a better cheeper pump not likely.

[$L!mBo]

But tell me why folks end up with more expensive, worse pumps? 🤣

[Ecapnation]

Well made, fantastically toleranced high quality parts.

They are the benchmark that all other companies should be measured to.

Plus amazing customer service! There was a shipping misshap years ago with the SSR I ordered, basically serial numbers swapped but tags and paperwork matched. The two of us agreed to swap out tags and keep the guns as I built mine already and as a thank you Bill sent us some extra msgs for them.

[iamthelazerviking]

The lower tube was very well thought out, the hammer weight, the valve, and the perfect spring combo they use. That paired with the great tolerances makes for a fantastic feel. I've used CCM guts in plenty of other builds that will feel good but nothing like an all stock CCM.

[iamthelazerviking]

Also the only pumps that auto trigger actually works and feels good with lol.

[gabe]

Maybe on the newer guns but the early ones like the S5 and SS25 don't work great in my experience. Maybe it's just the slide trigger frames. Timing is off.

[Ego10Baller]

I personally feel that with a 9/16th's CCM complete lower tube and a reg running at 300 PSI, that I can't tell the difference in terms of shot quality. The non-CCM with CCM lowers (and maybe CCM pump kit) marker is likely heavier than an all CCM marker as theirs are very light and balanced but when it comes to actually playing, I don't see a difference as long as you have a half decent pump kit paired with the CCM lowers.

That said CCM makes fantastic quality markers and parts and Bill and Laurie have always been very kind and helpful when I've needed a part. I just can't justify a possible 5% performance difference (likely just a perceived difference and not actual as long as both markers have sweet spotted CCM lower internals) for a 3x-5x price point increase. If CCM's were around $850 still for a new build (not doable with inflation and price of metal to manufacture them + machining time required based on my conversations with Laurie) then they'd be my pick hands down. As others have said though, there is nothing like the feel of a complete CCM marker in hand - beautifully made and with real care.

[Nish]

I love my S6P. Great gun, I think it was better when I had an AKA reg on it and might switch back.

That said. At current prices unless you absolutely need to have it as part of a collection. Not worth the price a lot of these are going for in my opinion.

[Chuck E Ducky]

Only because you know what they use to go for. In a world of $250 masks and 2k+ markers it’s kind of the nature of the beast now. Although I haven’t purchased many since they skyrocketed in price. Most of mine are from years of collection. I payed $450 for my J2L.

[Nish]

Could be part of it. It's also just a fact of any of the high end collectable guns. They cost so much more from the fact they are hard to get so people are willing to pay more for them.

[Jimmydee]

Pew pew ccm m40

[Chuck E Ducky]

Are we turning this into a show off thread… lol

That thing is sweet! I wish I could justify owning one. But I know I won’t use it. They only made a few of those correct. Did it ever make it past prototype? That’s the one that fits in real rifle stocks correct?

[Jimmydee]

This is the second gen run, so yup they made it past the prototypes.

[automeister]

So which pump do you guys recommend?

[Chuck E Ducky]

Only one I ever shot I wasn’t impressed with was the J12 they are insanely priced anyway. Pick one with the look you like best. My personal favorite are the J2 body’s.

[Chuck E Ducky]

I like full block markers. My wife’s S6, My J2 and SC J6 2piece S6 with the J style top tube.

But the T2, S6.5, and MBP are really nice as well.

[KMDPB]

Man I want a ccm stock feed soooo bad...

[Chuck E Ducky]

They are silly expensive. That one is two different feeds. T2 cram and jam feed block with an SS25 feed tube. I happened to have both feeds on hand and they were swappable. A CCI feed will bolt on most full block markers with the top mount Spyder style feed necks. They will work on a T2 MBP and S6.5 if you make or modify the stock bolt pin so it clears the feed tube or you mount it forward. There was a guy making low profile pins I believe at one point for this reason.