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  • DocsMachine
    MCB Member
    • Jul 2020
    • 2699
    • Alaska

    #1

    The History of the Paintball...?

    A reader over on the guild inadvertently brought up a question I'd thought about myself, but never chased down. Do we have a record anywhere of the actual history of the paintball- as in the projectile itself?

    The question came up when he saw a Quora conversation that basically said the paintball was invented, and then the pharmaceutical industry took the process and used it to make pills. Which is of course backwards, and by half a century- R. P. Sherer developed the rotary encapsulation method in 1933, and was well-established as a major world supplier of encapsulated materials long before paintball, the sport, was invented.

    The question that brought up was simply what was the timeline of the actual paintball.

    Lore has it the first Nelson balls were handmade with wax shells. I'm guessing- and that's part of the question- that shortly after development of the 007, etc. that they automated the manufacturing. We know that Nelson, up until recently, was making their own line of balls, so... did they buy and set up their own encapsulation line back in the oil-base days? Or did they contract out to another company- like RPS.

    The other side of that coin is who pushed for the modern washable fill? Was that Nelson themselves, or was that contracted out to another encapsulator.

    Or, was it Gaines, et al, who saw the sport was being limited by the non-washable semitoxic paint.

    Does anyone know the answers? Is there's a write-up of the timeline anywhere? (I admit all I've done is check Wikipedia so far.)

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  • Heavy_D
    SpaceCadet
    • Jun 2024
    • 329
    • Alberta, Canada

    #2
    Pioneering The Sport of Paintball...The History of PMI - Paintball History

    According to Mr Bacci's write up on his interview with Jeff Perlmutter, PMI/ RPS made the first water soluble paintballs
    -Team Silver Creek United-

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    • The Inflicted
      pǝʇɔᴉlɟuI ǝɥʇ
      • Jul 2020
      • 1510

      #3
      Wasn't there an odd patent filed on behalf of the US Navy for a multi-barreled paint pellet projector system from like the 1950s?

      Modern Google is useless but I recall there being an unusually old Navy patent posted on here or some other paintball forum.

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      • JohnB
        Pump, pump, pump it up
        • Jul 2020
        • 308
        • Phx

        #4
        I thought it was cow marking pgps basically people ran around with shooting each other and paintball was born.

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      • Pyrate Jim
        Shi Tamajutsu Ka
        • Aug 2020
        • 672
        • The Group W bench

        #5
        Well, I had read that Nelson was marketing their own paintballs back in the '30s using oil-based paint. They have a website.
        Still have a box of 12 cigar tubes purchased in the late '80s. Back when you used scotch-gard and brought mineral spirits to clean off a bit between games.
        The use of oil-based paint was so rain wouldn't wash it off, being used by foresters marking trees or ranchers marking cattle from a distance.

        The switch to a water-soluble may have come when the pharmaceutical and cosmetic industries noticed the applications. Pills and bath beads.
        Which involved FDA & OSHA and all sorts of agencies.

        The US Patent Office used to have a searchable database. Searching "Frangible Projectiles" revealed a lot.
        I was amazed how many "paintball" patents were owned by the US Military back in the '40s & '50s. Long before the 007.
        And I remember an article (in French) about using flintlocks and wax bullets, an exhibition on the streets of NY around 1906.

        So, while I can't answer about the first "Paintball", I'm reasonably confident you'd have to go back nearly a century (or more) to find it.

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        • Magmoormaster
          Only here for the zipline
          • Jul 2020
          • 1294
          • Glendale, AZ

          #6
          That article from Bacci is an interesting read. Didn't know PMI funded the creation of TPI. I always assumed it was a natural evolution after the ATF banned full auto guns, which Tippmann was making at the time.

          The Nelson website doesn't say much besides stating that they started in 1940. Fun fact though; they still sell oil-based paintballs. $30 for 120.

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          • DocsMachine
            MCB Member
            • Jul 2020
            • 2699
            • Alaska

            #7
            I recall some people saying the Crosman 707 predated the 007- didn't an MCB'er pick up a one-owner 707 with the holster, saying the original owner said he bought it in the mid-60s?

            I was given to understand the development of the 007 was early to mid 70s, and concurrent with the development of the paintball. If the 707 was earlier, who was making the paint?

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            • Pyrate Jim
              Shi Tamajutsu Ka
              • Aug 2020
              • 672
              • The Group W bench

              #8
              As I recall, the markers used in the very first game were Daisy Splotch markers.

              And I was wrong, Nelson paint started in 1940.
              Yes, I believe the Crosman 707 did predate the Nelspot 007. Just as I believe the term "Island Style" predates anything to do with Hawaii.

              There were manufacturers of paint markers prior to Bill Gaines or Bob Gurnsey.

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              • Fubarius
                MCB Member
                • Jul 2020
                • 477
                • New Richmond, WI

                #9
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                Bought from the grandson of a cattle buyer from Winona, MN. He claimed he grandpa got it around 1965. I would try to get better high def pictures, but I did end up selling the thing when the prices on them shot up a while ago. Current owner is I believe a collector in Mexico City of all places.

                Now it clearly says Nel-Spot 707 on it, but the big "C" on the grip shows it's really a rebarreled Crossman 150 pellet gun at heart. And none of those ever had a darn serial number so figuring out any solid history is a real pain.

                From what I remember hearing, Nelson came up with the concept, had Crossman whip up a gun based on one of their existing designs, then Nelson figured it would be more profitable to design their own gun in house, hence the 007 was born. All this before some dudes in New Hampshire decided to have their philosophical debate in the woods.

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                • Pyrate Jim
                  Shi Tamajutsu Ka
                  • Aug 2020
                  • 672
                  • The Group W bench

                  #10
                  Compared to a 007~
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                  • Magmoormaster
                    Only here for the zipline
                    • Jul 2020
                    • 1294
                    • Glendale, AZ

                    #11
                    The 707 was made from 65-70, by Crosman at the behest of Nelson, like Fubarius said. If I remember my history from Bacci, Crosman decided to stop producing it due to low sales, so Nelson went to Daisy and they came up with the 007. I believe later 007s were made by someone else, but I don't remember who.

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                    • acrewofone
                      Crosman 3357 AGA62 Expert
                      • Jul 2020
                      • 418
                      • Hagerstown Maryland

                      #12
                      Originally posted by Pyrate Jim
                      Well, I had read that Nelson was marketing their own paintballs back in the '30s using oil-based paint. They have a website.
                      Still have a box of 12 cigar tubes purchased in the late '80s. Back when you used scotch-gard and brought mineral spirits to clean off a bit between games.
                      The use of oil-based paint was so rain wouldn't wash it off, being used by foresters marking trees or ranchers marking cattle from a distance.

                      The switch to a water-soluble may have come when the pharmaceutical and cosmetic industries noticed the applications. Pills and bath beads.
                      Which involved FDA & OSHA and all sorts of agencies.

                      The US Patent Office used to have a searchable database. Searching "Frangible Projectiles" revealed a lot.
                      I was amazed how many "paintball" patents were owned by the US Military back in the '40s & '50s. Long before the 007.
                      And I remember an article (in French) about using flintlocks and wax bullets, an exhibition on the streets of NY around 1906.

                      So, while I can't answer about the first "Paintball", I'm reasonably confident you'd have to go back nearly a century (or more) to find it.
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                      • Chappy
                        Overmoderator
                        • Jul 2020
                        • 1283

                        #13
                        Wish this had a date on it. Sure looks 60s to me. Nelson says on their web page they created the first paintball
                        in the early 60s.

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                        • DocsMachine
                          MCB Member
                          • Jul 2020
                          • 2699
                          • Alaska

                          #14
                          Which brings up a another angle. The 707 looks a LOT like a Cap-Chur tranquilizer dart gun. Which came first?

                          Wikipedia says a New Zealernder named Colin Murdoch developed the trank-dart gun in the 1950s, but I haven't found any pics or specific dates. I could see him basing it off a probably-already-easily-available Crosman pellet gun (Crosman had been around since the '20s) and/or having Crosman manufacture them.

                          Then they took that version a few years later, and added the .68 cal barrel for the first paintball gun, presumably?

                          Doc.
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                          • Fubarius
                            MCB Member
                            • Jul 2020
                            • 477
                            • New Richmond, WI

                            #15
                            I always kind of felt the Crossman Model 150 turned into sort of a generic platform. They built a bunch of lower tubes with grips, and then just slapped whatever barrel you needed onto it. .17, .22, dart (.50ish?), .68, long barrel, short barrel, whatever was needed. That's just a feeling though.

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