Dye DLS

[zinger565]

From Dye:

Introducing the new DYE DLS, a collaborative innovation featuring the legendary Paragon Core Bolt System. The DLS goes outside the bounds of what exists. Real innovation, true collaborative engineering - the DLS is the result of DYE’s commitment in listening to players, working with industry leaders and influencers to exceed player expectations. The standout Paragon Core bolt design unifies simplicity, utility and durability with unmatched air efficiency and unprecedented reliability.

The Patented Paragon Core represents tomorrow’s thinking delivered today. Patented innovation allows for an uncompromising level of elegance in its simplicity. The Paragon Core features a dwell independent valve and bolt cycle. The Paragon core boasts incredible efficiency and minimal points of failure to ensure maximum reliability. Continuing DYE’s commitment to collaborative innovation, the Paragon Core creates a unique spreading action between the bolt and the valve while the air is being forced closed by the air firing the paintball down the barrel. The Patented clutch design de-couples the valve action from the bolt cycle. This separation allows for optimized ball handling and valve efficiency. This unique action, combined with DYE’s industry best soft tip bolt design ensures players can put paintballs down field with unrelenting effectiveness.


Designed to meet the needs of players all across the board, DYE’s tried and true features are infused into the DLS, which include but not limited to the Flex Face Bolt Tip, SLAP ASA, MOSair Operating System, Edge2 Mag-Reach Trigger, 4th Gen Eye Pipe, UL 45 Frame, Hyper 6s Pro and much more.

The evolution continues with DYE’s ongoing development and advancement of marker technology. For the player looking for premium features and trusted technology that will keep you out on the field longer, THE DLS IS READY FOR ACTION.

Standard Colors: Clear, Black, Blue, and Red - $1695

"PGA" Colors: LVL, Legion, Blurred, DyeCam, Iconic, Grid6, and Ironmen - $1895

PGA system also comes with the carbon fiber UL backs, Standard colors come with "normal" backs 0.688 and 0.684 included.

[jokers]

Well count me out. When i first saw it I remembered that Lurker was talking about a mechanical marker and at almost 2k I think that there are better markers that i can spend my money on.

[imped4now]

Standard colors are $1695. The Paragon core + Dye ergos + limited nature make this a very compelling package so I'm not sure I understand your aversion.

[ChuckLove]

I'd like to get my hands on one. I'll wait a bit and see if they have a mech option and how the performance is.

[imped4now]

Do not expect a mech option. The performance will be excellent.

[ChuckLove]

imped4now Ok that solidifies that it isn't for me. I'm quite surprised they bought the patent and did the e&d for only 400 units. I can't justify an electro for $1700 especially without a mech option due to my play style.

[fullofpaint]

I wanna see a shooting video and answers on just what "limited edition" means in this context.

Really want one but also don't want to be a guinea pig for the improved mainstream version in a year or two.

[imped4now]

I believe 400 of these will be sold. I don't believe you'll be seeing a "mainstream" version of this - in other words, the Paragon drive packed into a high end marker.

[jokers]

With all that is going on with Russia Right now and considering that this is a new marker I am surprised that they have a Russian Legion version.

[Daltech]

Wow, another lighter, faster, more more efficient paintball gun. Now I can shoot more soft than the previous soft and more efficient than the previous really efficient paintball gun. Why? This seems so pointless. I know people are dumb but come on? Put some money into actual paintballs DYE. I’m calling you out Dave Youngblood.

[Daltech]

If they can get it to the level of efficiency that I only need one fill per day then that’s a big deal. Until then. BORING!

[Cyberpyr8]

I really like the DSR platform and the M3 is pretty good too. I'm assuming this falls more in the M3 category than the DSR, especially given the price. It's hard for me to justify spending that much when I could get a CS3 or LV2 for around the same or less. I know they have their reasons but I wish they would have ditched the eye pipe. In my opinion, it fixes a problem that no one was asking for a solution to. That's the only reason I don't have a DSR+ as my electro. I really liked my DSR's but I lost the eye pipe during a game trying to clean out the gun with some terrible paint, and I couldn't use the gun the rest of the day. Until that is fixed or eliminated, I probably won't buy another Dye marker. It's held me back from getting another DSR, even with the mech option available now.

This new marker is cool and I like that it's probably more efficient and different than what else they offer, but I'll wait until I get to shoot one and see before buying it new, sight unseen. I'm not going to cup this year so I won't get a chance to see one there. Maybe someone at my field will pick one up. Maybe at $1000 used it will be appealing but for that type of money there are still many more proven options.

[Spec]

I know they have their reasons but I wish they would have ditched the eye pipe. In my opinion, it fixes a problem that no one was asking for a solution to. That's the only reason I don't have a DSR+ as my electro. I really liked my DSR's but I lost the eye pipe during a game trying to clean out the gun with some terrible paint, and I couldn't use the gun the rest of the day. Until that is fixed or eliminated, I probably won't buy another Dye marker. It's held me back from getting another DSR, even with the mech option available now.

That's a bridge to far for my logic to stretch. Markers come with consumable wear parts these days. This is a given and a design feature. Items I know will wear and need replaced: seals/orings, reg seats, ball detents, eye pipes, grease, bolt springs, batteries, soft bolt tips, etc. They are cheap and consumable. It's a price of having the feature. If I spend near a grand on my marker, then a season or 2 worth of wear parts go in the case. This has been the case forever.

Dye combines ball detents, which I would replace yearly at a minimum, with internal eye covers that are easily changed. Sounds good. Keep in mind they designed these for players who may shoot over a hundred cases per season. I know I'd want a new set of detents, fresh eye pipe, new reg seat, and maybe a new bolt tip before heading into cup.

[imped4now]

Logic - you have it.

[Cyberpyr8]

Yeah, detents and orings are expected but they’ve added a piece when no else does it that way. You’re adding a piece that isn’t needed that can wear out, break or fall out. I know some feel that the eye pipe is a good design, but I don’t think it’s worth it. If I were a pro player and someone else maintained my gun, I wouldn’t care. But for most players it’s not needed. If it was a great idea, everyone else would do it too.

[Cyberpyr8]

And I’ve never once in 20 years lost detents by them falling out or being shot out. I’ve had eye pipes shot out and my son cracked one putting a barrel on too tight.

Here's my logic. The eye pipe is the equivalent of Ferrari deciding all of their cars need a plastic piece on the gas tanks of their cars to stop spillage for professional car drivers. But they put it on all production cars and if you tighten the gas cap too tight it will crack and you can't fill your car up. It can come off accidentally (possibly unbeknownst to you) and leave the car unusable. Also, it costs 100X what a new gas cap would cost in comparison (eye pipe vs detents and orings). So you don't have a spare and if it breaks you can't use your fancy car until one comes in. Only 1% of owners are race car drivers that will benefit from the feature. Instead of just using technology that works just fine for 100 years, they engineer a solution to a problem that causes other problems. If they would make the part lock in and out of aluminum it would be fine, but they refuse to do that.

I'm not opposed to the idea of the eye pipe but there needs to be some improvements made to them. If it was an aluminum cylinder that locked in and you only had to put in $0.20 detents if they wear out, it would be a great idea. But having it just sit in the breach and made of plastic, makes it unreliable. Sure I can get an extra one but again, why do I need an extra $20 part as compared to my cheap detents on all my other markers?

I know that some of you appreciate the engineering that went into it, but I like the look of round buildings but I know that if you have an office or room in one, there's either lost space to make the rooms square or a side that's almost unusable because of the shape. It looks great but isn't as usable as a square building. My point being, just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you should.

[Lotus]

If this had both an electro and mech frame, I might be willing to drop the insane amount on this just to have something cool and community designed. The drivetrain is begging for it in the same way the gamma core was begging for a mech. With just 400 and no mech frames, this doesn't make sense. It's like Dye is betting that it will fail so they didn't bother making that many of it.

[superman]

It sounds more like dye tried to introduce something along the lines of the gsl. limited edition non private label. Not sure why they would put all that effort into it unless they want to test and see how the market does with a different bolt system.

[fullofpaint]

It sounds more like dye tried to introduce something along the lines of the gsl. limited edition non private label. Not sure why they would put all that effort into it unless they want to test and see how the market does with a different bolt system.

Yea seems like a really weird decision, along with the lack of a mech frame.

[Chuck E Ducky]

All I care about is if they are making more Fiber S barrels.

[superman]

[imped4now]

People need to watch this.

[superman]

I agree. I saw you post it on reddit.

[glaman5266]

Only making 400 of these… Why? I have a hard time believing that they will make any money on this. And any hype this may generate will be lost on me with the lack of availability. Dare say say artificial scarcity?

Testing the market is the only conclusion I can come to as to why they are only making 400 of these. If that’s enough for Dye, well ok then. But I really can’t help but scratch my head over this whole thing.

EDIT: Is Dye maybe thinking about doing limited run stuff like Freeflow? I dunno, just a thought.