Hardcore Mag and Cocker guy - super impressed by PE Emek

[Tinybear]

I not arguing nor would I that the mag is a better shooter. I see the emek more as a marker that has continued on where the mag has left off. One needs to remember the mags design came out in 1992. It’s nearly 30years old in a sport that’s only 40 years old. Of course the Emek is a more refined shooter as it should be.

My complaint is purely with how expensive the Emek is in Canada. For $400 it’s hard to justify. I seem to be a minority with this opinion and that’s fine. Good for PE for knowing and doing well in there market. I doubt I’m their target market and will continue to shoot my mags as I have done for the past 20 years. Just hope one day to snag an Emek at a more reasonable cost to enjoy.

[Chuck E Ducky]

I get your point however your not comparing apples to apples. A new Mech complaint Mag is upwards of $500 US to build. Used Mag is still more costly then a New Emek to build and it’s an inferior design. They are less reliable, heaviler, way less efficient at the same time more expensive. I did see a mag that was way lighter then my Emek at Slims weekend at AG. However it was very custom built and probably 4x the cost of a Emek to put together. But hot dam was it cool AF!

Don’t get me wrong I love the Mag but if you don’t like the Emek purely due to cost it’s a way better bang for your buck no matter how you look at it. Have you looked at used Mag prices lately? All out Mag builds can get super expensive I have been pricing them out for a build I want to do. Even basic center feed used ones bring almost want a new emek cost. If I already had a nice mag build I get not jumping on the EMek /M170R bandwagon. But that don’t make the Emek any less of a marker or a good deal regardless of the current exchange rate.

Are mags that much cheaper in Canada? If so I’m looking for a Karta body hook a Yankee up.

[Jordan]

I not arguing nor would I that the mag is a better shooter. I see the emek more as a marker that has continued on where the mag has left off. One needs to remember the mags design came out in 1992. It’s nearly 30years old in a sport that’s only 40 years old. Of course the Emek is a more refined shooter as it should be.

My complaint is purely with how expensive the Emek is in Canada. For $400 it’s hard to justify. I seem to be a minority with this opinion and that’s fine. Good for PE for knowing and doing well in there market. I doubt I’m their target market and will continue to shoot my mags as I have done for the past 20 years. Just hope one day to snag an Emek at a more reasonable cost to enjoy.

You'll never win the cost argument because the US dollar has more buying power than ours. Paintball IS more expensive here no matter how you slice it.

[Chuck E Ducky]

I agree, I don’t see how exchange rate is relative. The cost of everything in Canada is going to be more in general. But I get his point about the Mag if I had a nice one already I would stick with the mag. Building one today surly would cost more then even a tricked out Emek regardless of currency used.

Anyone looking to get into mech play today you can’t beat the Emek. Regardless of exchange rate.

[Tinybear]

Again I’m not comparing the mags to the Emek. Just saying I can’t justify upgrading to a Emek when they costs as much as they do. I bought my mag over 20 years ago when I was much younger and paintball was a bigger part of my recreation budget. 20 years ago I paid $410 CDN (adjusted for inflation thats $641 in today’s $$) thats for what at the time was a HIGH END gun. Today they want $400 for a entry level shooter and $950 for the high end Mech. The Automag was the pinical of performance back then as the M170r and Shocker CVO is now. But the costs of the markers simply have out paced inflation here. The emek is a great gun no questions there. But a great deal I can’t agree with here.

In the us a Emek runs $270us. Converted to Canadian funds that’s $326cdn. But Badlands which is the sole Canadian planet distributor charges $400cdn. That’s a rip off for what your getting I’m sorry.

And once again as for reliability I question that. As I have personally shot this same mag since 1999 only replacing regulare wear components aka foamie bolt tip and a few wire nubbin barrel detents. And a shit load of 45* elbows lol but that’s not part of the gun lol. Emeks have not been around for 20years to say there more reliable. Reliable sure but more so how can one judge that without the same time frames.

[wunderbarsafari]

In the us a Emek runs $270us. Converted to Canadian funds that’s $326cdn. But Badlands which is the sole Canadian planet distributor charges $400cdn. That’s a rip off for what your getting I’m sorry.

So you have the only dealer in the country marking them up another 22%?Gross.


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[Mps18]

Emek is butter

[Jordan]

So you have the only dealer in the country marking them up another 22%?Gross.


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My guess is shipping, duty, and possibly other fees associated with getting stuff across the border also play into that price markup.

[Spec]

Badlands has always been in that range of markup, around 25% over US retail after converting to cnd. At least that's what I've gleaned from seeing their magazine ads starting in the 90s till magazines shut down. That's their business model and markup over wholesale.

[sniper97]

Why not buy in US and have it shipped?

[Chuck E Ducky]

I bet my local proshop could ship you guys stuff if you were to cover shipping. At a 25% mark up you could probably save some cash. Hard part is finding stuff in stock. Stuff is selling so quick they can’t keep em on the shelf.

[ryan]

Interesting that this thread was intended to be me admitting that a current gen plastick-y type gun performs so well compared to what I consider the "tournament gun" staples of my era. Clarification - I use "plastick-y" in a somewhat flippant way here, what I really mean is that the composite which makes up the body/frame/foregrip isn't something I can just swap out (exception of ID body) with 3rd party parts.

I have some rather... "built" mags and cockers and this keeps pace with those absolutely fine. If we want to throw in cost, my mags and cockers were all probably at least $1k each at the end of the build process, this thing was <400 and works just fine OOTB. Literally you could walk on field with this and keep up with anything out there.

I also didn't intend to start a GOG vs PE debate. :P But alas that's what happens when we all have opinions! Which is great

Anyway, I just threw a hAir trigger in there and...wow. Very cool. I can easily keep up with any of my pneumags at this point. Well played, PE.

[Damonan]

I just wanted to say that this thing is pretty awesome, even in stock form.

How would you know ? You said you ordered yours from Inception Designs with the fang trigger, pops and an FLE kit, none of those are stock options, so how would you know what a stock emek shoots like ?

[Chuck E Ducky]

Most places are using stock ones for rentals now. Trigger and valve just make em easier to shoot faster.

[ryan]

How would you know ? You said you ordered yours from Inception Designs with the fang trigger, pops and an FLE kit, none of those are stock options, so how would you know what a stock emek shoots like ?

I still have all the stock parts and swapped everything. In fact I was a bit irritated the ID body didn't have the PAL loader compatibility so I swapped the old body back on to test it out. I also swapped the bolt. Admittedly I dod not swap the fang trigger back for stock, so you got me there, but these upgrades are more or less cosmetic...the trigger doesn't seem like it does /that/ much. The only real performance upgrade was the hAir trigger which I just installed.

[gabe]

How would you know ? You said you ordered yours from Inception Designs with the fang trigger, pops and an FLE kit, none of those are stock options, so how would you know what a stock emek shoots like ?

Coming in a bit hot there dude. A stock EMEK doesn't shoot appreciably different than a modified one with the exception of a lighter trigger and a flashier body. The bolt and everything is the same.

Besides I believe he said he added the trigger later and that he doesn't have the body but that it can be added. They do just shoot better and more reliably out of the box than any of my $1000+ autocockers I've ever had. I've spent more time and paint at the field tuning autocockers than I have shooting them in anger. Just give me a new CVO/EMEK/GMEK/M160R any day of the week so a good game of paintball can be had.

[Dusty Bottoms]

"I've spent more time and paint at the field tuning autocockers than I have shooting them in anger." Hearing this from cocker owners brings a smile to a mag guy's face!

[gabe]

To be fair, out of 3 mags I've never had one that worked well enough to even make it to the field.

[Dusty Bottoms]

Ouch, hurtful words, sir!

[Damonan]

Coming in a bit hot there dude.

Sorry, but no. I felt it a little ironic he said a "stock emek" when his wasn't stock. thats all. And if you guys believe there are no performance gains by swapping the body, then you are sadly mistaken.

[gabe]

Damonan, I could tell by your initial comment how aggressive you were going to be on this (yes, pedantic) point. You're the one that brought the attitude here so don't be surprised one someone claps back with something like calling you pedantic. If you're splitting hairs to say that 3.2oz makes the difference or that an EMEK with a lighter trigger is a totally different gun then yes, pedantic is the word that fits.

[Stilgar]

Time to chill out everyone.

Let's keep the conversation on topic. It's not hard to explain ones position and reasoning to avoid confusion and confrontation while remaining polite.

[ryan]

My attitude is elitist? *shrug*

The PAL loader vs a motorized loader weight likely makes up the difference in stock body vs ID. But I digress. Pedantic isn't really an insult, it's a more formalized way of saying you're just splitting hairs here. But I still think your attitude toward me in the first place was the part of this entire thread which is unnecessary, and find it unfortunate you can't see that.

It's just odd to me that I have positive things to say about an entry level gun and I'm met with hostility, seemingly for no reason.

[Cyberpyr8]

I finally just bit the bullet and ordered the FLE kit with Fang trigger for mine. I have been shooting mine pretty much stock. I bought it completely stock and added the Emach trigger and took out the spring. A few months later I put the pops on mine but only because I switch guns throughout the day and it made it easier. But otherwise that's been about it. The only reason I'm going with the FLE kit is because I have tried a few printed bodies and they really don't hold up well. I'm tired of spending $50+ on these things and having the feedneck come off. If I hadn't done the FLE I would have just had the stock body hydrodipped. The stock body isn't that bad. I still don't really care to add the hair valve. I think it shoots great without it. Plus, I don't want to waste too much paint. That was the whole point of this gun for me. I love the way the Emek shoots and feels. PE has done a great job with it.

[iamthelazerviking]

Yeah, 3D printed stuff doesn't look very good in my opinion and the materials used don't put my mind at ease. Stock glass-reinforced nylon body is very strong and don't need replacing. I used stock EMEKs for a while, just with POPS and some minor trigger adjustments. Amazing shooters as-is.

[Spider!]

I also didn't intend to start a GOG vs PE debate. :P But alas that's what happens when we all have opinions! Which is great

Welcome to thread-jack. Get used to it.