Crazy New Gun, Crazy New Caliber, Insane Performance

[chrislognshot]

[bellicose]

Note to self, make armor minimum of three French presses thick.

[snoopay700]

I was intrigued. Then I looked up the MSRP.

Still super cool.

[gabe]

Meh from me. They released the metal framed version for some crazy amount of money over a year ago and it was a flop. It's basically just a big CZ75 chambered in a cartridge like spicy 5.7mm. It's a big FN FiveSeven pretty much.

It's useless as a defensive gun due to size and as someone who lives in a place where big animals eat people I wouldn't want to shoot a bear with a glorified varmint cartridge out of a fat handgun. Give me a proper 9mm for two legged critters or a big bore revolver for 4 legged ones.

[Tarsun2]

i had my eye on the .223 pistol. Supposedly less felt recoil than a standard 9mm... but the price was more than i paid for my commuter car. lol

[punkncat]

Give me a proper 9mm for two legged critters or a big bore revolver for 4 legged ones.

After dabbling in various caliber for a while, I opted to go with 9mm for all of my carbines/pistol selection as far as recreational and target type shooting. Up until very recently you could walk in a WalMart and get a box of 500 decent rounds for that usage under $20 and shoot it all day without fatigue.

[lew]

Meh from me. They released the metal framed version for some crazy amount of money over a year ago and it was a flop. It's basically just a big CZ75 chambered in a cartridge like spicy 5.7mm. It's a big FN FiveSeven pretty much.

It's useless as a defensive gun due to size and as someone who lives in a place where big animals eat people I wouldn't want to shoot a bear with a glorified varmint cartridge out of a fat handgun. Give me a proper 9mm for two legged critters or a big bore revolver for 4 legged ones.

It was only intended as a very limited release, and yes, this is old news. 7.62 Tokarev would get the same job done. A rifle works even better.

[Spec]

I shot loads of hot sub gun ammo off of a CZ52 back in my youth. Darn thing would blast a five or six foot flash out of the barrel. It was a bit of a clunky military surplus gun but it was cheap and crazy fun plus the ballistics aren't far off this. Super fun until the surplus ammo started to dry up.

[gabe]

After dabbling in various caliber for a while, I opted to go with 9mm for all of my carbines/pistol selection as far as recreational and target type shooting. Up until very recently you could walk in a WalMart and get a box of 500 decent rounds for that usage under $20 and shoot it all day without fatigue.

Yep, that's the biggest thing about 9mm is ammo availability but moreso how many rounds you can fit into a little gun. As we can tell from paintball, the more you can shoot the better off you are.

Handguns (not large format pistols aka rifles with no stock) are universally bad at wounding. Little bullets pushed at modest speeds don't do much. The best you can do is throw a whole lot of wimpy bullets. If things really get bad a handgun is just a tool to fight your way to a rifle.

[punkncat]

Yep, that's the biggest thing about 9mm is ammo availability but moreso how many rounds you can fit into a little gun. As we can tell from paintball, the more you can shoot the better off you are.

Handguns (not large format pistols aka rifles with no stock) are universally bad at wounding. Little bullets pushed at modest speeds don't do much. The best you can do is throw a whole lot of wimpy bullets. If things really get bad a handgun is just a tool to fight your way to a rifle.

Where real steel is concerned, judicious application of lead is always preferable.

Statistically, at least some years ago, the .22 was considered the most lethal round. In "real life" I know a lot of people like to talk about how pistol rounds aren't effective. I PROMISE you that anyone who has been shot by one would say differently. Personally (and super damned lucky) I was hit by a .45 round that came off a tree as a ricochet. The only thing(s) that saved me from serious injury were the flattening of the round by the tree and a Army field coat. I never want to relive that.

[gabe]

Where real steel is concerned, judicious application of lead is always preferable.

Statistically, at least some years ago, the .22 was considered the most lethal round. In "real life" I know a lot of people like to talk about how pistol rounds aren't effective. I PROMISE you that anyone who has been shot by one would say differently. Personally (and super damned lucky) I was hit by a .45 round that came off a tree as a ricochet. The only thing(s) that saved me from serious injury were the flattening of the round by the tree and a Army field coat. I never want to relive that.

I don't disagree that pistol bullets are great at doing significant damage but statistically 80+% of handgun shooting victims recover fully if they are given medical care immediately after being shot. The number based on military statistics with rifle wounding is vanishingly small; most rifle shooting victims die almost immediately.

The greater point is that going by FBI statistics, the chances for a first shot stop with handgun calibers is all roughly equal and also very, very small. The key to stopping a threat (a person bent on doing you harm) is multiple center mass hits regardless of handgun caliber (excluding non-service calibers ie:380acp and under).

Again, not saying getting shot with a handgun does not seriously suck. The fact of the matter is that going on statistics, handgun wounding is inadequate to single shot stopping so multiple hits are needed. More bullets in the gun=better statistical chance of landing multiple shots as well as a smaller round (9mm) being easier to control and practice with.

Basically, if you're carrying a handgun for defense a 9mm is the best choice. If you know you're getting into a bad situation, go get a rifle.

Sorry, I'm a gun nerd. Ballistic capabilities, gun capacities, caliber choices...it's all pretty academic and whatever you have on you is the better than a pointy stick and getting shot by anything is a whole world worse than not getting shot in the first place. The one thing I can say for sure is that the BRNO handgun is an overpriced novelty.

[Arthur]

Thats a pretty sweet gun, thanks for posting this. Not an option for me because I base my guns off common cartridges I can pilfer during end-times... which seems to be happening right now.

[chrislognshot]

After dabbling in various caliber for a while, I opted to go with 9mm for all of my carbines/pistol selection as far as recreational and target type shooting. Up until very recently you could walk in a WalMart and get a box of 500 decent rounds for that usage under $20 and shoot it all day without fatigue.

i hake one that shots 9 1/8mm round and like it

[Knuckle Dragger]

Thought it was the return of Hudson based off the thumbnail. If anyone is curious, look up Hudson H9 pistol.

[Jellyghost]

Not to thread jack, but the Kel Tec PMR 30 seems similar. What do you think of that? A buddy of mine says that that wmr 22 ammo should be shot from a revolver not a semi-auto.

[gabe]

Thought it was the return of Hudson based off the thumbnail. If anyone is curious, look up Hudson H9 pistol.

It's not but it sounds like Daniel Defense might be resurrecting the H9 based on some leaked product photos. They even did away with the big dropped recoil spring so it's kind of more normal.

The PMR30 is like the redneck inbred cousin of the BRNO pistol. The PMR is made mainly of plastic, shoots a round that is quite a bit slower on muzzle velocity and it's not known for reliability. The KelTec guns are fun for plinking but expectations for reliability or build quality should be kept pretty realistic.