Autococker slider frames. What am I missing?

[Walker]

To me, the only difference between a slider and a swing frame is personal preference. My vintage Autocockers get the type of frame they would have come with. The newer get whatever I have available....

[glaman5266]

I wish someone would come up with a good GRN slider frame. They may significantly cheaper & I'd buy them for all my cockers. But I also think that manufacturers would be leery of it due to startup/overhead costs. Cockers & their parts don't sell like the newer spoolers do. I agree with the OP- good, used slider frames are outrageously priced. Albeit for reasons, but they're still incredibly unreasonable to me.

Hinges are maybe 1 or 2bps faster

I don't understand this. I've heard this so many times but I just don't see it myself. I know people can do it, but I can't do it for the life of me. Give me a well broken-in slider & I can go reasonably hard on it. But a 2-finger hinge... nope. I can crank on those Trilogy 1.5s faster than a 2 & I'm not fast on a 1.5 to begin with.

You just have to shoot one to understand.

This is very true. Shoot one for a while & you'll see why they're so nice.

[Brokeass_baller]

In regards to the "shoot faster" thing, I'm mostly taking people's word on it. I played two weekends ago with my Gmek. I was able to hit 9 or 10 bps in a few good strings with only the Bang Switch upgrade in my trigger system. After 20+ years in the game, you just get an ear for it.

One game, after I got shot out early, a team mate was having marker issues, and I was spectating only a few feet from him. So in pure recreational sportsmanship, I offered to let him used my gun instead. He obliged, and was only hitting MAYBE 6bps. He had no form, and probably never shot a mech before in his life.

I think that's where it comes from; those that didn't grow up with mechs/sliders and never learned the skills. Even back in the day, it was likely geared towards newer yet experienced players with some dough in their wallets.

[glaman5266]

Brokeass_baller I've seen plenty of videos of people really railing on their hinge frames. I know it can be done... But something just doesn't feel right with that long of a soft, squishy trigger.

Which is funny because when I started getting into cockers I started on a hinge frame. But I was like "WTF, this doesn't feel right at all." You'd think I'd eventually get used to it, being my first one.

Which is double funny because I have a thing for the Trilogy. For a hinge I think they feel good, if a tad stiff. Those 1.5 frames seem harder to short stroke too, at least to me.

I dunno. I guess some people are just weird with stuff sometimes.

[cfos00]

They're extremely expensive to make---the manufacturers make either nothing or very little on any of them. That's why Simon doesn't make his anymore---there's no money whatsoever in them for him.

[DocsMachine]

They're extremely expensive to make---the manufacturers make either nothing or very little on any of them. That's why Simon doesn't make his anymore---there's no money whatsoever in them for him.

-This. Even with ID giving 'Cockers a boost in recent years, they're still a niche-market gun these days, and that in an overall niche market. And when it comes to manufacturing things, small markets don't pay.

Modern manufacturing techniques favor large quantities- 'Cocker parts were cheap when a company could make 5,000 or 10,000 parts and expect them to sell. They start getting expensive when you only make 2,000 and half of them don't sell.

Doc.

[The Inflicted]

I'm remembering the period around 2008 when you could get new-in-package 32 Degrees frames on eBay for $20 shipped. I bought two and I should have bought 200.

If a slider frame is too expensive and you're looking for a single trigger option for a pump build, you can use an AGD frame with Sheridan frame parts provided you drill it to replace the grip panel pin for a sear pin.

Intact carbon fiber AGD frames are ticking up in price too, and I don't know where you'd go to get Sheridan trigger guts.

[JonM]

From a roached Sheridan or from someone like Bacci. He also has AGD frames for cheap right now.

[Walker]

Just wait, the supply of slider frames will dry up, and swing frames will be come popular again.....

[latches109]

Sliders are fun so are swings. Build what looks good and gives you the most happy.

Here are a few sliders.... I think I have one of each manufacture - not all pictured. Obviously the belsalses sliders are all occupied.

my DYE hinge is pretty dang fast, I would rank it fastest for me @1mm pull. I also have a meteor slider at little over 1mm pull that is almost as fast. Lot of that was fine-tuning, 3way oring drag, LPR pressure, trigger return spring weight, and slide plate trigger stops.