Small paintballs, .670 on purpose to save money making them

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  • JeeperCreeper
    Multi-purpose
    • Sep 2020
    • 2127
    • Western MA

    #16
    As someone who is offering .670 inserts, it is what it is.

    As a player, it sucks. Bad paint can make you not enjoy the day as much as you would with round, consistent paint.

    I think it just goes right along with everything else these days. Everything is made to be as cheap as possible.
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    • DocsMachine
      MCB Member
      • Jul 2020
      • 2700
      • Alaska

      #17
      Yeah, that used to bug me too, back in the day- I'd mic a barrel six ways from Sunday and only rarely was the bore what it said on the tin.

      Butm the thing is, the actual number on the tube is irrelevant- think of it more as a "gas gauge". The gauge doesn't tell you that you have 14.864 gallons left, it just tells you the tank is about half full.

      The paint itself varies by so much, not only ball-to-ball but from axis to axis on each individual ball. You fit the bore/barrel/back to whatever paint you're shooting that day. The number on the tube is just an indicator- they could just as easily say "#1, #2 and #3". #1 is too tight, #3 is too loose, so I'll use #2.

      As for the actual measurement, given that any barrel is going to be polished, burnished and/or anodized, and no manufacturer is going to air-gauge and individually mark each one, of course there's going to be slight variances. The tool wore slightly, the machinist altered the tool offset slightly, then neglected to take that offset off when the insert got replaced. The anodizing shop found a small blemish on that part, so stripped it and annoed it again. An inspection showed a blemish in the bore, so it was sent through the polishing stage again. Etc. etc. ad nauseum.

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      • Grendel
        MCB Member
        • Jul 2020
        • 1979
        • Lexington, SC

        #18
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        • Sdawg
          Bunker Buster
          • Jul 2020
          • 436

          #19
          I used it obsess over more matching but now I mainly just use an insert between 687-691 and call it a day. I'll use smaller inserts if I am using an autococker or not getting barrel breaks.

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          • Blackmagic71
            MCB Member
            • Jul 2020
            • 880
            • Minnesota

            #20
            So when are we banding together to produce and market our own “MCB Massive Balls” paint?

            “Old style Massive Balls… new mayo flavor!”

            How expensive can one of those encapsulating machines really be?
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            • Heavy_D
              Heavy_D commented
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              I volunteer to be a Labour dummy at the MCB plant haha

            • Daltech
              Daltech commented
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              This guy gets it.

            • cheapguitarscheapthrills
              cheapguitarscheapthrills commented
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              You'd have to get major paintball manufacturer to care and better yet have NXL back it. I don't think the pump/stock class MCB crowd is gonna drive that kind of change or demand. I buy a bag of 500 every fortnight
          • Blackmagic71
            MCB Member
            • Jul 2020
            • 880
            • Minnesota

            #21
            Heck, when we’re not making paint we could apparently make MCB branded suppositories too!

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            • uv_halo
              Paintball Ballistician
              • Jul 2020
              • 283
              • Virginia, U.S.A.

              #22
              What needs to happen is somebody makes a .670 (smaller the better) ball that is denser so that it still weighs 3.11g Then, we'd have a ball that has a better hang time than .68.
              Originally posted by Tom Kaye, in response to FS price critics:

              Unfortunately all of you have played the one "speedball" game of paintball for so long you can't conceive of other ways to do this and hence any new ideas seem stupid.
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              • Frmrspec
                Cursed to tinker
                • Jun 2022
                • 583

                #23
                The paint getting smaller was originally to make a loader manufacturer’s superior product fail/jam more frequently

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                • Daltech
                  Daltech commented
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                  Your cousins friends dads brother that works at a bonafide paintball factory told you. Got it. I read it on the internet so it must be true.

                • Frmrspec
                  Frmrspec commented
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                  Daltech do you really think there would be any conversation of the sort that would be public? Just look at the time frames, it doesn’t take much to realize what I’m saying has merit

                • the_matrix_guy
                  the_matrix_guy commented
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                  Smaller, crappier paint is cheaper to manufacture. It's that simple. Corporations will always try to maximize profits. Until the quality is so bad that the market forces them to re-evaluate their quality control.
              • Ralo
                Rockin and Cockin
                • Oct 2021
                • 48

                #24
                Originally posted by Frmrspec
                The paint getting smaller was originally to make a loader manufacturer’s superior product fail/jam more frequently
                The Rotor?

                I used some Defy last weekend, which was probably around .684. I don't worry about sizing much so I used my 688.

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                • Daltech
                  Daltech commented
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                  You sure it wasn’t really .664? I haven’t seen .684 paint in 20 years.

                • cheapguitarscheapthrills
                  cheapguitarscheapthrills commented
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                  Depends on humidity,and how they're storing it. I went to my old home field maybe 2 years ago and bored .685. I was flabbergasted because I haven't used a bigger barrel back in what feels like a millennia. Swamp ass humid that day in Southshore, MA for what it's worth
              • Frmrspec
                Cursed to tinker
                • Jun 2022
                • 583

                #25
                Funny thing is if we went back to large paint, I’d be screwed.. all my from scratch made markers were machined to better suit much smaller paint..

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                • cheapguitarscheapthrills
                  aka Gabe Tex
                  • Mar 2024
                  • 467
                  • Worcester county MA

                  #26
                  I'm here for conspiracies. This is the energy/quote that came to mind from this post
                  https://youtu.be/QjgE4kNSU74?si=Cn03yE7Dxul6u7pN

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