James Bond

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I just watched the all of the start to finish across the last couple of weeks. I had never seen any of the Daniel Craig ones. I just finished No Time To Die... and for those of you who saw it, you probably know the pain I am feeling now.

50 years of cinematic genius ruined.. If you have the perfect recipe, don't change it. I dont even think he had sex in Skyfall!

To say I am disappointed would be an understatement.

That is all.

[latches109]

Have you listen to all the audiobooks? some of the old ones are good. They are excellent at putting all your passengers to sleep on a long roadtrip too. Casino royal was better as a book than film.

[SignOfZeta]

I liked these movies when I was ten, especially the 2CV chase, the submarine Esprit, the skiiing, Moonraker…but was well and truely done with the series at Goldeneye.

Bond consists of these elements:

(occasionally) cool gadgets

(occasionally) excellent chase scenes

(always) extremely bad jokes. So so bad. Insultingly bad jokes. On purpose.

…and of course joking about people he just killed or, in the case of females, banged and then killed.

I cannot imagine how the end of a single movie could affect any of these trends. After I heard “I thought Christmas only comes once a year…” I didn’t want my money back, I wanted to burn the theater to the ground. Bond is an enemy of life who makes jokes worse than your most childless uncle.

When I want to watch some outdated series from the Cold War where over half the moves are too boring to finish I choose Godzilla.

[Riot]

I think he’s attempting re-entry, sir.

[scottieb]

I liked these movies when I was ten, especially the 2CV chase, the submarine Esprit, the skiiing, Moonraker…but was well and truely done with the series at Goldeneye.

Bond consists of these elements:

(occasionally) cool gadgets

(occasionally) excellent chase scenes

(always) extremely bad jokes. So so bad. Insultingly bad jokes. On purpose.

…and of course joking about people he just killed or, in the case of females, banged and then killed.

I cannot imagine how the end of a single movie could affect any of these trends. After I heard “I thought Christmas only comes once a year…” I didn’t want my money back, I wanted to burn the theater to the ground. Bond is an enemy of life who makes jokes worse than your most childless uncle.

When I want to watch some outdated series from the Cold War where over half the moves are too boring to finish I choose Godzilla.

I vote SignOfZeta as our resident movie critic because his thoughts in this post are brilliant.

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I’m not disagreeing with SignOfZeta’s points of the movies. They had a perfect recipe- so why change it now?

Bond is out here.. not womanizing, making half of the brilliant jokes, falling in love, procreating… and oh yeah, dying!? Rubbish! I’m pretty sure they made Q gay… which wouldn’t bother me if there was a plot point, but to make it a point for seemingly no reason (No Time To Die) just shows they’re doing it to appease this new generation. The attempted transfer to a woman 007… cmon now.

In short, as mentioned above, the Daniel Craig movies were great movies… but Bond is supposed to be an old white perverted womanizer that gets the job done at the expense of peoples lives, destruction, and anything else necessary. If they feel they can no longer make that film, then make another Bourne movie, but don’t taint the original franchise with this watered down version.

[ChuckLove]

I personally thought Casino Royale & Skyfall with Daniel Craig were amazing. Definitely my favorite bond movies in recent history.

[Cyberpyr8]

If the Daniel Craig movies weren't Bond movies(rather just a spy series that is Bond-like), they would be ok. But they changed the formula for what Bond is and that makes them less appealing than the rest of the franchise. The villains in them aren't as evil as they needed to be and the attempt to make the series more woke is pointless. The woke audience isn't watching a Bond film, period.

I liked the woman that was the spy who he follows through the last few movies because she was tough and could hold her own, but there wasn't chemistry with Daniel Craig and any of the women in them. I liked the nerdy Q character in these up until he mentions about a date with a guy. Again, no need and just to appease a new generation that doesn't care. It actually felt awkward. Judy Dench as M and Ralph Finnes characters are good and were the most old school Bond-like of anyone. The stories were meh and the action was ok at best. I don't really look forward to the next Bond series. I hope for it to return to more of an updated traditional feel, but I don't hold out much hope. I own the Sean Connery and Roger Moore series and I rewatch them from time to time. They're cheesy and not politically correct, but maybe that's what is appealing about them to me.

I truly feel like once the cold war was over, the Bond series just didn't have the things it needed to make a modern compelling story. Maybe the next one needs to be set back in time to the cold war era with a new Bond. That would be something I would be interested in.

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THANK YOU.

[Trbo323]

I'm not disagreeing with SignOfZeta's points of the movies. They had a perfect recipe- so why change it now?

Bond is out here.. not womanizing, making half of the brilliant jokes, falling in love, procreating… and oh yeah, dying!? Rubbish! I'm pretty sure they made Q gay… which wouldn't bother me if there was a plot point, but to make it a point for seemingly no reason (No Time To Die) just shows they're doing it to appease this new generation. The attempted transfer to a woman 007… cmon now.

In short, as mentioned above, the Daniel Craig movies were great movies… but Bond is supposed to be an old white perverted womanizer that gets the job done at the expense of peoples lives, destruction, and anything else necessary. If they feel they can no longer make that film, then make another Bourne movie, but don't taint the original franchise with this watered down version.

The recipe was old. They were getting stuck in a corner with everything bond "had" to do to meet audience expectations. Basically there was no more plots the only real difference was what the bad guy wanted

Bond sleeps with the evil chick, sleeps with the good chick, at least one of which has a name that is a sexual pun, gets in at least 3 shoot outs, gets a gadget and possibly a car from Q, gets in a car chase, uses a gadget. Says "Bond, James Bond" and orders a vodka martini shaken not stirred. Makes some sexual remarks to Moneypenny but they are never able to sleep together, disagrees with M and possibly goes a bit rogue.

I'm sure if I watched one of them there would be more that's all just off the top of my head

I actually really liked no time to die because it DIDN'T stick to that formula. It was something new and unexpected so it wasn't predictable. It also answered the age old question of if bond is the same person or a succession of agents which I thought was a very brave thing to take on.

I'm not saying they have to get rid of all of that but I don't think that's all the bond movies should be and that's what was happening

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The recipe was old. They were getting stuck in a corner with everything bond "had" to do to meet audience expectations. Basically there was no more plots the only real difference was what the bad guy wanted

Bond sleeps with the evil chick, sleeps with the good chick, at least one of which has a name that is a sexual pun, gets in at least 3 shoot outs, gets a gadget and possibly a car from Q, gets in a car chase, uses a gadget. Says "Bond, James Bond" and orders a vodka martini shaken not stirred. Makes some sexual remarks to Moneypenny but they are never able to sleep together, disagrees with M and possibly goes a bit rogue.

I'm sure if I watched one of them there would be more that's all just off the top of my head

I actually really liked no time to die because it DIDN'T stick to that formula. It was something new and unexpected so it wasn't predictable. It also answered the age old question of if bond is the same person or a succession of agents which I thought was a very brave thing to take on.

I'm not saying they have to get rid of all of that but I don't think that's all the bond movies should be and that's what was happening

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No no, you basically nailed with your synopsis. Haha.
My take is simply.. that’s what the people wanted. 1962-2006. If it isn’t broke, don’t fix it.

The Daniel Craig movies all intertwine, whereas the previous ones rarely referred back to earlier movies. There were some examples… Alluding to his deceased wife, Jaws, Spectre…. But the DC films were five movies telling one story. They were James Bourne, not James Bond.

They weren’t prequels because they destroy Spectre. They weren’t new ones because none of the character continuity would make sense. Hell, it doesn’t make sense in No Time To Die alone! How is Rami Maleck (terrible choice, imo) going to be the grown ass man that tried to kill the Dr Swann as a child and then be like 5 years older than her as a grown ass woman?

I think I said it above, the only way i can really acknowledge these as “Bond” movies is to accept it’s just a reboot that had nothing to do with the Bond of old.

And my opinion of them is I thought they were great Spy movies, just not James Bond movies.

[Melrosejedi]

Exactly,they lost james bond somewhere. For me it was when roger moore stepped aside. Typical movies today,ruin everything with a different culture. Look at the star wars saga for real tear jerker.

[Trbo323]

I think I said it above, the only way i can really acknowledge these as “Bond” movies is to accept it's just a reboot that had nothing to do with the Bond of old.

And my opinion of them is I thought they were great Spy movies, just not James Bond movies.

I could see that. I think one of the other large problems was that the "technology" and gadgets they used stopped being so fantasy based. It's much more real to the audience if the gadgets are based around real world tech but the problem is real world tech basically caught up. If 1970 bond had a gadget that took spy photos, Called Q , had a world map and could track an enemy the audience would be amazed but because we all have that in our pocket now it's not. The early films had much more sci-fi tech then is really possible today without going so far out that they seem too much like fantasy.

I am really really glad that after die another day and the whole, let's surf an Arctic wave with a parachute from a rocket sled scene they basically said, if we can't do a stunt in real life we are not putting it on screen. I watched some interview with one of the producers who said that and they have largely stuck to it. It makes everything much more believable but that also means they can't stray too far into fantasy so there's ups and downs there

And I know there's editing involved but it's kind of cool to know that if that car jumped over that building, that that actually happened to make the scene. I'm sure they removed the roll bars in post production but I don't care. Just the fact that they are actually doing the stunts when other studios are doing green screen is cool to me

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[MrKittyCatMeowFace]

I'm gonna drop all these here. .

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[Cdn_Cuda]

Sterling Archer is the new James Bond.

[Daniel Tiger]

I get what you are saying but demographics change. The Bourne movies were setting the bar for spy movies back in the early 2000s.

Demographics change. Boomers and gen xers are fading out in their proportions of movie revenue. So, the benefit of using the same formula was dropping and there was a rising cost of having some of the more problematic elements. So, the formula was broken… or at least breaking.

Daniel Craig bonds outgrossed all of the brosnan bonds. In inflation adjusted dollars, Skyfall is only rivaled by goldfinger and thunderball. And saying rivaled is giving them too much credit.

put the book attached in as a joke. It was either that or old man yelling at the clouds.

cdn_Cuba is right though. Archer ran with the bond formula.

I honestly hate all the bond movies but again I hear what you are saying. Good news is, if you want the old formula, there are a zillion movies to rewatch