Best 12 gram Powered Pump?

[BlindFaith429]

Kinda have the itch to get a pump, and go full-blown stock class. 12 Gram cartridge's and 10-round tube feed.

What is a good marker to look at? Is the Phantom king? Or is there an older gun that is just as good?

I've always wanted a Phantom, and know they can be swapped around with configurations.

Bonus points if it can be easily converted to an HPA tank like a 13/3000 in case 12 grams aren't readily available at the time.

[Hobbes]

Phantom. Done.

[NONOBLITUS]

Phantom , Phantom , Phantom oh yea in case I didn’t say it. PHANTOM

[Nish]

Phantom is really the way to go.

[Foster]

Phantom checks all boxes.
in the summer months using freak inserts you can expect a tuned Phantom to give 30+ or even 40+ useable shots on 12g’s.

[Grendel]

Hard to argue with Phantom for a stock class marker. They are easily found already in a Stock Class configuration or can be easily modified to be stock class but that is if you want to just get into playing pump and stock class and not wanting an adventure There are other ways to go and it will be more of an adventure with all the ups and downs but can be fun. Early Sheridan or PPS stock class markers are out there plus there are a plethora of old Nelson clones out there that can be setup as stock class. You can also setup any WGP Sniper (Autococker) as either a pump or stock class too. Then there are markers like the MVP , Pyre,...etc.

If you have not played pump and/or stock I would recommend play open class pump first and get used to it and through that you will learn what platform works for you (single tube/stacked tube) before you venture into stock class.

[Trbo323]

Phantom

And if you want to switch classes but not really switch classes

Agd 6 pak

I run a remote sniper with a 6pak, it's so much fun

By the "rules" of pump, even though I have a hopper on it, it's still considered "modified stock class" because it's run on 12g rather than a CA tank

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[Memornix]

Phantoms are fine of that's your jam, but they are too light weight for my taste. I would say if you know you want to play stock, pick up a buzzard. I think there are even a few up for sale right now.

[Falcon16]

Good comment. I've owned both a phantom and a buzzard and the buzzard is head and shoulders above the phantom, I just wish there was an undercocking version of the buzzard

[Memornix]

Sounds like you need a Carter Comp

[shooter311]

Phantom is probably the best choice. For me though, I just don't like the phantom. Not that there is anything wrong with it, it is just not for me. Too light, and the pump stroke is heavy and gritty. I'll take a cocker pump anyday. My favorite is a sterling, but they have some major draw backs. My recommendation is to go to a field and test out different markers.

[Chuck E Ducky]

Did anyone recommend the Phantom yet? Drops 🎤 ….

[BlindFaith429]

My only gripe with the phantom is the original over-the-barrel pump handle. Though easily remedied by an under-cocking kit.

Probably should have bought that urban camo one from the BST I was drooling over lol

[Chuck E Ducky]

The 3 color Urban Camouflage Phantom are my favorite Ano for sure.

[latches109]

1st choice Carter buzzard for sure, because each one is unique - but if you have smaller muscles then a phantom would be ok.. or you can make a heavy phantom like this:

[Headshotted]

Trying to explain to the wife why I want a sniper over her kp3 is hard.

[Chuck E Ducky]

I have seen a few cocker builds like this with the phantom handle and always wanted to try one. That looks fun to shoot.

[latches109]

It’s soo smooth! Delrin handle on the carbon fiber barrel is great!

[BlindFaith429]

So, what about n Autococker converted to pump? How are those on air?

I assume id need a regulator, bottom mount ASA, and a 12 gram bucket changer, right?

[NONOBLITUS]

My second favorite. Using an older pre set Reg on a Cocker I jump between 12 grams in a ICD lever changer then screw in a HP tank for open play. Easy as can be and barely adjust the velocity.

[glaman5266]

So, what about n Autococker converted to pump? How are those on air?

I assume id need a regulator, bottom mount ASA, and a 12 gram bucket changer, right?

I've never built a sniper to run on 12grams, but my understanding is to jack up efficiency you'd have to decrease the volume inside the paintgun. Otherwise a plain sniper likely wouldn't even compare to a Nelson-style pump for efficiency. Not sure how you'd do that- perhaps some others can chime in here.

Phantoms are good paintguns, but I personally don't like them. The pump stroke is stiff & gritty as shooter311 said. This can be mitigated with a pump arm shim and an undercocking kit, but all of that would cost quite a bit for someone who has never played stock class.

Grendel said: "If you have not played pump and/or stock I would recommend play open class pump first and get used to it and through that you will learn what platform works for you (single tube/stacked tube) before you venture into stock class."

This is excellent advice. If you're really wanting to try stock class right off the bat then I say do it with minimal money investment. I suggest a PMI Trracer and making your own stock class feed with PVC, copper tubing or whatever. Or run it open class until you get the hang of it. They are pretty much a cheaper Phantom- same Nelson drivetrain & similar stock efficiency numbers but with a SIGNIFICANTLY better pump stroke. The only real issues with them are detents, barrels can be hard-ish to find and it's backbottle. You can mitigate those with the nail polish mod in the barrel to prevent rollouts, using a Phantom grip block for a bottomline ASA and, honestly, the factory barrel is fine as is.

Long story short- I say Trracer. Can be had for much cheaper if you're willing to rig it up yourself, so you're not out much if you don't like it. And has a much better pump stroke IMO. Just make sure you get one with an adjustable bolt to tweak velocity.

[Jordan]

So, what about n Autococker converted to pump? How are those on air?

I assume id need a regulator, bottom mount ASA, and a 12 gram bucket changer, right?

Almost as good or better than a Phantom. Regulated Sniper 2s get 35 or more shots off a 12 gram... I built a Sniper 3 that got 40 or better off a 12 gram, running at 500ish input IIRC.