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**nak81783** · 01-30-2023, 02:25 PM

Etha 3M - it’s an Emek with the upgrades most people install - better barrel, on/off ASA, upgraded trigger valve. It also has an aluminum clamping feedneck rather than the glass reinforced nylon Emek one as well as “easier” bolt removal. Looks nicer too, in my opinion. $400-ish.

**Trbo323** · 01-30-2023, 02:30 PM

thought about looking into an automag? They're extremely reliable and you can do just about anything you want with them doing a center feedneck going to make it a little more expensive initially what the cool thing about AutoMax is you can build it as you go and chances are with the market even if you don't end up liking it you will most likely be able to sell it for close to what you pay

But you can start with a standard valve a ule body and a standard grip frame and be somewhere in the ballpark of 300 . From there you can upgrade piece by piece as you go and still play with it the whole time

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**MrBarraclough** · 01-30-2023, 02:54 PM

The Reddit hivemind recommends the EMEK for pretty much everything, like a broken record, but for good reason. They are upgradeable, customizable, quiet (with a well-ported barrel, not the stock one), efficient, fast, light, and easy to maintain. No external air lines. Built in foregrip with good spacing. I bought a heavily used ex-rental stock EMEK in November 2021 kind of on a whim, just to add another reliable mech to my backup stable. The thing has taken over as my primary shooter. In fact, if I intend to play with any other marker on a given day, I start with that marker because I know that once I start using the EMEK I won't want to bother fiddling with anything else. It just works, and it works very well. I've upgraded the trigger valve to the FL 3-way with the Secret Pin, replaced the trigger with the Exalt Killswitch, lightened the trigger spring, and added the EZ-PZ ASA from Inception. Feed it with a Rotor and throw on an old Proto UL barrel and it's a beast. The trigger pull is extremely light, short, and snappy, and your finger cannot outrun it. Maintenance is easy, with a bolt-out-the-back single assembly. Just wipe down the internals and regrease. If you don't overtighten the back cap you can do a basic clean and regrease without tools at all.

If you'd like an EMEK fully upgraded right out of the box, that's precisely what the Etha 3M is. At $499, it's an EMEK with $150-200 worth of upgrades for a $110 price premium.

Worth noting that the Gmek frame for the original Gtek, which is also a Gamma Core marker, has a slider trigger. Some cocker guys seem to appreciate that.

Besides the EMEK/Etha 3M, there's one other pneumatic mech out there which isn't a mech frame for an existing electro: the GoG eNMEy. By "pneumatic mech" in this context I mean mechs which don't have a sear and the trigger only actuates a multi-way valve. The eNMEy is simply a mech Ion. Technically it's a mech eNVy/eXTCy, but those were just the latter iterations of the Ion design. A dead simple, vent-to-fire unbalanced spool. Easily the most mechanically simple marker design ever. For $200, they are fantastic and run circles around the blowbacks in their price range. Not as polished as the EMEK, but good shooters for the money. I had first gen one for a while as a loaner/backup and eventually sold it to a buddy who had often borrowed it. My only real gripe was that the trigger pull was a tad squishy and it's possible to short stroke it. That and the Impulse/Ion/Luxe/GoG/whatevertheycallitnow barrel threads. Maintenance was easy; standard bolt-out-the-back with the whole bolt engine threaded together as one neat assembly. The second gen eNMEy features a toolless back cap. Would I recommend it over the EMEK? Not in a million years. But it's a budget-friendly runner up.

**iamthelazerviking** · 01-30-2023, 02:55 PM

Emek and forget about it

**Hellion360** · 01-30-2023, 03:05 PM

It's a boring answer, but Emek is the way.
Reliable, Inexpensive for what you get, easy to acquire a great cheap barrel for, reasonably efficient.

N1 Nova is a sick gun, but not trouble free and as simple to service as an emek. Super quiet though.

If you want a tuneup for your cocker let me know and I'll make it sing for you.

**cellophane** · 01-30-2023, 03:35 PM

Thanks! Dumb question- does the Emek (e.g. PE markers) use cocker threads? I have a bunch of cocker thread barrels and not having to buy new barrels would be ace.

**Trbo323** · 01-30-2023, 03:35 PM

I should have mentioned, I actually own a emek as well and while I agree it's a good marker, I also believe the automags are better in a lot of ways. My emek is primarily a loaner. If I'm shooting mech is my mag all the way, I can configure it however I want which is a huge plus

If you don't like something about the emek, you have very very few options to change it

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**cellophane** · 01-30-2023, 03:43 PM

Originally posted by Trbo323 View Post

thought about looking into an automag? They're extremely reliable and you can do just about anything you want with them doing a center feedneck going to make it a little more expensive initially what the cool thing about AutoMax is you can build it as you go and chances are with the market even if you don't end up liking it you will most likely be able to sell it for close to what you pay

But you can start with a standard valve a ule body and a standard grip frame and be somewhere in the ballpark of 300 . From there you can upgrade piece by piece as you go and still play with it the whole time

I have thought about a mag, and at some point would love to get one, but I know absolutely nothing about them. Is that 300 price new or used? Do they still make new? On the upside, I know a few people locally that use mags, or know people that use mags, so there is local help.

**superman** · 01-30-2023, 04:36 PM

Not sure what your time frame is on picking up a new marker, but i know that nova was also working on budget style marker as well. Not sure how far off that is for them though.

**cellophane** · 01-30-2023, 04:41 PM

Originally posted by superman View Post

Not sure what your time frame is on picking up a new marker, but i know that nova was also working on budget style marker as well. Not sure how far off that is for them though.

I'm not sure either 🤦‍♂️

They do have the Christmas special still listed which looks like a good deal: https://novapb.com/product/n3-hellio...stmas-special/ I like the Nova from the novelty / this is different factor, but as mentioned I know squat about them / maintenance.

**Cdn_Cuda** · 01-30-2023, 04:59 PM

Put an ID 3-way of your Prostock, watch Simon’s tuning video and enjoy your cocker. Very easy to time, which is the hardest part of teching a cocker.

Or look at the Emek’s sibling the MG100/EMF100, as it adds magfed to the mix and can still use a hopper, so more versatility and takes the same upgrades as the Emek.

**Chuck E Ducky** · 01-30-2023, 05:50 PM

If I was buying new today I would get a 3M and call it a day.

I run a emek with a trigger and valve job she rips! Used I would get a modified emek in a heartbeat. The 3m is just a better deal if you want all the bells and whistles. I have shot them all I love my emek. I beat the breaks off it and it performs flawlessly in the harshest conditions.

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**Brokeass_baller** · 01-30-2023, 07:47 PM

I've been an Automag guy since like, 1998. But if you like sliders, and are coming from the Autococker world, you cannot beat the Gmek. I've always like sliders, they're a must on my Cockers. But my Gmek has pretty much become my go-to. And I hate saying that, because I've always had an affinity towards Automags.

On the cheaper end of things, I'm a fan of eNMEy's. I have both a gen1 and gen2. They're fantastic for the price, and very easy to modify. My gen1 has a 3mm trigger pull, and air lines routed through the grip frame, using an Empire Relay regulator (like what's on the Mini and Axe). It's a fantastic (and FAST) shooter. It was my primary for a little bit, but now it's my #1 loaner.

**Alexndl** · 01-30-2023, 08:17 PM

Like the others have mentionned automag are really fun to play with. Lots of body frame and rail option. ULE body will take cocker barrel and classic body can use cocker barrel with Doc's adaptor. Stock twist and lock barrel will need the 3d printed detent that superman make.

Mech ION and eNMey are also fun to shoot.
I have a mech SP1 that I will post for sale soon if you want. They go for half the price of an Emek.

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