Air Efficient Eko Valve System?

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  • PaintballinR
    Newbie
    • Jul 2020
    • 7

    #1

    Air Efficient Eko Valve System?

    How does it work? Can't find anything online about it.
  • latches109
    Always Sciencing
    • Jul 2020
    • 2111

    #2
    - there is nothing special about it - basically a palmers style valve pin


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    • PaintballinR
      Newbie
      • Jul 2020
      • 7

      #3
      I'm not real familiar with the palmer's valve. Is it just a stepped valve pin so it cannot go further than needed into the valve body? All my current valves pins are same diameter throughout.
      Thanks

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      • Ecapnation
        MCB Member
        • Jul 2020
        • 4210
        • South Central Long Island

        #4
        Kingman buzzword snake oil. Nothing more.

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        • flyweightnate
          MCB Member
          • Jul 2020
          • 1854
          • Dallas, TX

          #5
          The middle of the pin is narrower so air can get to the bolt faster, and instead of flats on the back, there's a small hole next to the pin for blowback gas.

          It's a better design, but it's not revolutionary. It's still a Spyder valve. Not like a VS2 balanced valve.
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          www.PhrameworkDesigns.com < Nelspot, Sterling, and Phantom parts, plus the occasional big project.

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          • flyweightnate
            MCB Member
            • Jul 2020
            • 1854
            • Dallas, TX

            #6
            The middle of the pin is narrower so air can get to the bolt faster, and instead of flats on the back, there's a small hole next to the pin for blowback gas.

            It's a better design, but it's not revolutionary. It's still a Spyder valve. Not like a VS2 balanced valve.
            Feedback
            www.PhrameworkDesigns.com < Nelspot, Sterling, and Phantom parts, plus the occasional big project.

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            • The Inflicted
              pǝʇɔᴉlɟuI ǝɥʇ
              • Jul 2020
              • 1510

              #7
              Originally posted by flyweightnate
              The middle of the pin is narrower so air can get to the bolt faster, and instead of flats on the back, there's a small hole next to the pin for blowback gas.

              It's a better design, but it's not revolutionary. It's still a Spyder valve. Not like a VS2 balanced valve.
              It's a bit of a throwback to the original VM-68 valves, where there's a dedicated port for blowback gasses rather than an open flat through the back.

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              Originally posted by Ecapnation
              Kingman buzzword snake oil. Nothing more.
              I can't find the old PBNation threads anymore, but I distinctly remember the community conclusion being that the big efficiency gains with the Eko valve weren't illusory, and that the ~1600 shots per 20oz claims Kingman were making were, if anything, a little conservative.
              Last edited by The Inflicted; 06-18-2023, 07:05 PM.

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              • PaintballinR
                Newbie
                • Jul 2020
                • 7

                #8
                Very interesting, thanks for the insight!

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                • timekeeper
                  Newbie
                  • May 2021
                  • 2

                  #9
                  The efficiency gains have more to do with the face at the rear of the valve pin being pressed on by the gas pulse when the valve is open, creating additional force to close the valve; faster closing valve -> less gas wasted. Indeed, nothing revolutionary, but an improvement over the usual < 2k9 setup.

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