ICS Kits, which is best?

[Masonhd81]

Hey yall, looking into a ICS kit for an upcoming build. Was thinking of a CCM kit so I don’t need a new back block for the ACP kit. Idk about the TJD kits, I don’t know if they’re still being produced either. What’s yall opinions.

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[iamthelazerviking]

I'll have an earlier version CCM ICS kit available in the next day or two if you end up being in the market for something

[dano_____]

The very early and gen 2 CCM kits needed some polishing of the internal sleeve to get them smooth if you wanted them for a pump build. The newer ones seem to have addressed that issue. The TJD ones were nice, but the rear insert needed to be pressed on for some builds and were loose in others. I would say this latest offering from CCM is the best of all worlds. The first gen CCM were amazing unicorns though as I think only a handful we're ever produced and they had custom S6 back blocks for them to function so they looked the cleanest.

[SniperPedik]

just put one of the new CCM ones on a build im currently trying to finish, just need one more part and its complete, put air on it and from what i can tell it functions and fits really nice. only thing id recommend is after you get it all set up the way you want, put a small amount of loctite on the back screw holding the thing together, i feel like mine keeps trying to wiggle itself free lol

[Chuck E Ducky]

I have the TJD and a CCM one. Both function the same different hammer weights the TJD uses a brass hammer. I don’t see a difference in performance. I do recommend getting a rubber grommet for the back block screw. I trim one side so it slides in the back block hole and leave the other side so when you tighten it up the mount screw rides and sits on the rubber grommet instead of Ano aluminum or the supplied Oring that will eventually fall off. The oring can pop off and mess the finish around the cocking rod hole in the back block.

get one of these that fit in the back block hole after you trim one sides lip off. I just use a razor knife. Put the small end in the back block let the larger side sit over the back edge it protects it nicely and will permanently protect the back block. It feels nicer as well without the ICS floating cocking Rod moving around. Keeps it tight in the back block.

[SniperPedik]

I attempted this with just a cooking rod, and found it was just too stiff and caused too much friction.
Iirc, the ccm ics has its own delrin "grommet" so to speak, but I could be wrong

[Chuck E Ducky]

A standard Cocking rod needs to slide threw the back block cleanly otherwise it will cause inconsistent strikes to the valve. With an ICS the cocking rod free floats inside the hammer. So it can be fixed to the back block. In fact the extra friction makes the cocking rod friction tight and stays centered in the ICS so it’s smoother less of the ICS feel is transferred to the marker because the rubber acts as a damper somewhat. So not only is this functional but it helps make it super smooth. Because it only really makes contact with the hammer at the very end of the pump stroke just enough to cock it. My SC J6 is one of my smoothest CCM. It’s very well broken in, super consistent on both HPA and 12g.

[Psycho91]

Anyone try the new jenni kraig ics kit

[Masonhd81]

Didn’t know he made one. I’ll have to check it out

[Psycho91]

Yeah they have only been out like a week or two, or it might have just been a preview of it before he gets them all in and ready to sell

[Chuck E Ducky]

That was made for the Laz valve. I like heavy hammers with light springs on my pumps.

[zeropump]

Chuck E, What hammer do you use?

[Chuck E Ducky]

I use both. I have a CCM ICS in my J6 build and a TJD in another Both work great. The TJD uses a brass hammer CCM is Stainless. I really don’t notice a difference between them I didn’t weigh them side by side before I switched them out. However the CCM standard stock hammer is on the heavy side to begin with. CCM uses a combination of heavy hammer light springs. The brass TJD did feel heavier than a CCM. But not enough to warrant a spring swap. I pulled the standard CCM hammer dropped in a TJD ICS and only had to back the IVG out a turn or two using the standard CCM spring and valve combo so it’s got to be pretty close in weight maybe just a tad heavier. I could probably lower input pressure a lil more I guess but it’s running so good right now I don’t think I will mess with it.

The CCM one is the only one readily available. So I wouldn’t try and find a TJD over it honestly. I don’t see much of a difference. I just happen to have one in the magic bean box so I threw it in to give it a go. I do like the look of them. Cleans up the back of the marker but there is zero performance benefit from it. It’s purely cosmetic.

I put it on my my J6 I modified to play Stock Class with and probably should have gone with a standard hammer honestly because if you shoot a 12g til it vents you need to cock it first before you put a fresh 12g in. Otherwise it just vents down the barrel. With a standard cocking rod you can just pull it back without chambering a ball. With an ICS you don’t have that option. (Aka Tip it over so the pant don’t feed pump it and then change out.) vs just pulling the hammer back by the cocking rod.

But it looks cool.

[Chuck E Ducky]

This is what I used for reference. Homedepot hardware section. I just trim the one side back with a razor knife and stuff the small side in the back block hole and bolt it down.

[Ssimplechoke]

In order to use a ics do you have to a certain back block or any back block would work?

[Chuck E Ducky]

In order to use a ics do you have to a certain back block or any back block would work?

Most all back blocks work with ICS kits. There are specific ones like the ones for the Karnivore. But the CCM and TJD both fit most all back blocks provided they have a standard spec cocking rod hole. Its easy to adapt them if they don’t.