Autococker build

[latches109]

“Made in the US” is the dumbest criteria ever. Means absolutely nothing.

I saw on your new years resolution it says "- read more books" - My suggestion is pickup some basic Econ books.

I am sorry that keeping your dollars domestic and supporting your fellow American business means nothing to you.

[minimag03]

I believe he was referring to the criteria to label something 'Made in the USA' under the law, not that he doesn't value supporting American goods/jobs. He has a point, the laws are pretty lax. I think the criteria under law was tightened up in the last few years but it still had some big loopholes in it.

Edit: did a lil research and an executive order was signed that changed the law to below...

Under current Federal Trade Commission (FTC) guidelines, a product may be advertised as “Made in the USA” if “all or virtually all” of the labor and materials in the product are domestic.

So hopefully that phrase will begin to hold more weight. And as it applies to our current topic, there appears to be no doubt that Shocktech made their stuff in the US. I'm gonna pick up some of their parts because of this despite them not being my favorite.

[docfire]

Shocktech is made and assembled in the USA buy US workers Period.

[Mini-Xmag]

Only looking for a slider frame? I have some sliders and hinges.

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Yep, only looking for a slider frame

[Mini-Xmag]

Looking for a benchmark slider frame. Posted in the MCB BST forum.

[docfire]

“Made in the US” is the dumbest criteria ever. Means absolutely nothing.

Belsales stuff is really good, but also really expensive. I don’t think they’re particularly worth the current price, but they have more cache than any of the new stuff.

ID stuff is good, empire stuff is also good. Not discounting others experiences but I haven’t had any problem. They are made of a different grade of aluminum though, so they don’t ano quite right. Empire stuff is very similar, not quite as refined. Which means they’re a fair bit cheaper. While they are about the best performing pneumatics out there, the big thing with them is the quality of life improvements they made to them.

ID parts are great, but they have had a quality control issue with orings and ram bumpers. ID will replace them free of charge and they have great customer service. But, it when they go bad is the issue, the rear bumper swells super fast due to the pounding it take and to replace you need to disassemble the pump arm off the ram shaft. big bummer if this happens after a few cases of pant. I now just replace all the orings and bumper on ID stuff prior to building. Now ID stuff looks good IMO


Shocktech is blatantly overrated. Their LPR is nothing special, ram is just an STO ram, and the bomb 3way is surpassed by more modern stuff.

Prove it to me. How is it over rated and how is the Ram just a STO?? My guess is you have not used the new ST parts...

The trigger frame is the most important part of the gun. As others have mentioned, the internals are make or break, though it’s not hard to get the right stuff. A good chrome plate and a roller sear will get there. The frame itself matters a lot less, but some have nicer features.

I like having trigger stops, and unless you go very short I disagree that a shorter trigger results in a harder break. 3-4mm is a good sweet spot. I also like finger grooves. Kapp groovy frames are good, the new DYE Ultralite frames are cool. My personal favorite is the Niche 86* frame, but they’re quite rare. Benchmark, old DYE, ANS, shocktech, etc, will all work just fine though.

The inception frames are cool. Just know they have a unique trigger feel. Actually as a mag shooter you’d probably prefer it. You can get a NOS trigger plate to get a more traditional feel, but normally they just feel different.

Id recommend against palmers anything. They’re not well built and performance is subpar. Stock WGP internals will do just as well, if not better. Actually the best performance I’ve ever used was eclipse. Same with belsales, they’re stupid expensive now.

I agree the stock WGP stuff around the Outcast and Nigthcast era works great. The biggest issue is the ageing of urethan seals and cracking of valve stems. sadly even to New Old stock stuff is failing also.

Id suggest prioritizing the frame, then internals, then pneumatics. Pneumatics don’t matter much at all. Honestly you’re not likely to outshoot the stock brass pneumatics from a 2k WGP. Just get a quality set and call it a day.

[Mini-Xmag]

Here's a build update (25 January). I need to thank Minimag03, latches109, Superman/beardedworks, and Pumpytrilly1 for the parts. Below are what I started with and where I currently stand.

[RAZRBAKK]

I've always loved those regs. They look great on almost anything.

Looking forward to where this goes.

I also hope we can cool it with the AC politics. Really didn't expect all that lol.

[Mini-Xmag]

I agree. Seems the thread took a turn that I didn't expect. But hopefully this gets it back on track.