Custom-length pump arm- what can it be made from?

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  • The Inflicted
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    • Jul 2020
    • 1548

    #1

    Custom-length pump arm- what can it be made from?

    I'm wanting to make a shorter pump arm for my KP2.
    I assume that all that would need to be done is to thread one end and hammer a 90 degree angled section into the other.
    Is there some type of rod that's commonly-available and used for this sort of thing?
  • Jordan
    I. Am. Canadian. 🇨🇦
    • Jul 2020
    • 3515
    • Southern Ontario, Canada

    #2
    3/16" rod. I've used brass and mild steel... you can try SS but it's a PITA to work with.

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    • JeeperCreeper
      Multi-purpose
      • Sep 2020
      • 2130
      • Western MA

      #3
      I just made one from brass 5 minutes ago. The trick is to anneal the brass before bending and tapping, it makes it a lot easier to work with. I've also used SS and mild steel, and as Jordan said, SS sucks to bend.
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      • JeeperCreeper
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        You can pick up 3/16 brass rod from Amazon

      • Chuck E Ducky
        Chuck E Ducky commented
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        I found some at Homedepot too.
    • Grendel
      MCB Member
      • Jul 2020
      • 1980
      • Lexington, SC

      #4
      I like how PPS did their pump arms without the 90 degree bend but instead use a small aluminum block and a detented pin.


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      • Grendel
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        Jordan, if I can ever get a set of XL inserts I will get to use the PMI build you did, really looking forward to using it. I really should have put it in for the MOTM recently I absolutely love the build.

      • Jordan
        Jordan commented
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        I can make you a new CF barrel that takes regular Freak inserts if you want... and I've got a .680 titanium barrel for it as well. Let me know.

      • Grendel
        Grendel commented
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        Thanks Jordan, I actually have a brass 0.670 XL from JC on the way and I am saving the rest for trading fodder for my for sale thread coming up soon (next week????) I might hit you up for the Titanium barrel it would be quite Ironic to put a super light Titanium barrel on a Brass marker
    • The Inflicted
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      • Jul 2020
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      #5
      Is this something I can find at Ace Hardware or Home Depot?

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      • JeeperCreeper
        Multi-purpose
        • Sep 2020
        • 2130
        • Western MA

        #6
        I have gotten mild steel 3/16 rod from Home Depot before. It's usually in the fastener aisle near the threaded rod.
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        • The Inflicted
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          • Jul 2020
          • 1548

          #7
          Originally posted by JeeperCreeper
          I have gotten mild steel 3/16 rod from Home Depot before. It's usually in the fastener aisle near the threaded rod.
          Splendid.

          Anyone know offhand what threads these pump handles typically use from the factory?

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          • BrickHaus
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            10-32

          • JeeperCreeper
            JeeperCreeper commented
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            Yup 10-32 is the standard.
        • Jordan
          I. Am. Canadian. 🇨🇦
          • Jul 2020
          • 3515
          • Southern Ontario, Canada

          #8
          Originally posted by The Inflicted

          Splendid.

          Anyone know offhand what threads these pump handles typically use from the factory?
          Your bolt is also threaded, unless it's been drilled out - KP2 bolts thread onto that little 90° piece on the pump arm - so you can either drill the bolt out to 3/16" in that spot, or thread your new pump rod there as well. (Also 10-32.)

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          • Grendel
            MCB Member
            • Jul 2020
            • 1980
            • Lexington, SC

            #9
            So I am getting ready to do a custom SS rod bend for a Phantom build, is this something you guys would be interested in having access to? Funny thing is years ago I did some custom rods for Kenny (Punisher) to fix an offset issue with a run of his early under-cocking kits. I would have no problem doing custom bent rods for you all I enjoy seeing your builds. My jig is built just need to mount it and receive some rod that was ordered.


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            • The Inflicted
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              • Jul 2020
              • 1548

              #10
              Originally posted by Jordan

              Your bolt is also threaded, unless it's been drilled out - KP2 bolts thread onto that little 90° piece on the pump arm - so you can either drill the bolt out to 3/16" in that spot, or thread your new pump rod there as well. (Also 10-32.)
              Are there any immediate drawbacks of drilling out the linkage hole in the bolt?

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              • Jordan
                Jordan commented
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                Not really - that's how Pseries bolts are, they have a small setscrew to retain the pump arm instead.
            • The Inflicted
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              • Jul 2020
              • 1548

              #11
              Ok, success!
              Thanks for your help, everyone! Home Depot had the rod I needed for around $4 for 3 feet, which was much more than I needed.
              I ended up shortening the rod by a little over an inch and a half, which makes a big difference in how natural it feels to hold and pump the gun with no stock.
              I did not drill out the bolt so both ends had to be threaded. I probably should have torched and bent the rod before threading it, but chasing the threads with the the dye fixed any damage the hammer made.
              Also, I cut way more threads into the forward section of the rod to give myself more flexibility in adjusting where the pump sits.

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              • The Inflicted
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                • Jul 2020
                • 1548

                #12
                Now I'm wondering how much it would cost to have someone shorten the lower tube so that the speed knob didn't protrude beyond the barrel.

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                • Chuck E Ducky
                  Ragnastock Enforcer
                  • Jul 2020
                  • 6307
                  • NY

                  #13
                  Talk to JeeperCreeper he could do that for you.

                  Shorten it up, add a drop out and a Doc quick changer.

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                  • The Inflicted
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                    • Jul 2020
                    • 1548

                    #14
                    Originally posted by Chuck E Ducky
                    Talk to JeeperCreeper he could do that for you.

                    Shorten it up, add a drop out and a Doc quick changer.
                    Does he do springfeed conversions?

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                    • Chuck E Ducky
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                      Yup all kinds of stuff check out his brass thred in the Sheridan section.
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