Clapper-noid Blowbacks: Electros or Still Mech?

[ChoSanJuan]

Exactly this. I've had verbal convos with people and it's pretty polarizing. I feel that they are still Mechs since there are no pneus making any of action happen. The sear trips, just like a non-eFramed blowback. The clapper just does it for you. No dwell is being calculated or any of the other fancy schmancy stuff found on full EP markers. Thing goes down. Thing goes up. The only thing that it shares is ROF and maybe burst modes.
(Plus I want to redeem myself for not using a poll last time. LOL!)

[BenoitOWN]

In theory they offer firing modes that a typical mech would only be semi so there that.

they are E-Mech :3

[Tinybear]

If it can’t function without a battery I’d say it’s an electro.

its a most basic form of electro sure but it requires electronics to function thus not being solely a mechanical marker.

[ChoSanJuan]

OK, but modes aside... The action is still mainsprings slamming into a pin-valve/poppet. That's what's making the magic happen. I'll go with E-Mech or Assisted Mech?

[Meleager7]

Blowbacks with e-frames will typically come with eyes as well, so another feature that leans towards them being electros

[BenoitOWN]

Oh there definitely eye-less blenders out there :P

[glaman5266]

Until the Piranha Evo came out there were no blowbacks with eyes from the factory. Even then it took until the Spyder VS1/2/3 and Azodin's e-marker line to really make it a thing on STBBs.

[MrBarraclough]

This is the feature that kinda tips the scales in my mind. The ability to automatically withhold firing when a ball is not detected in the breech is a big deal and a huge part of the advantage electros have over true mechs. So while I weaseled out and voted for the 3rd option already, if given a binary choice I am persuaded that e-frame blowbacks are essentially electros, just with stupidly slow and inefficient mechanisms on the back end.

[ChoSanJuan]

Haha, added the e-mech answer

[Mkeeks]

Damnit... Can't change my vote... If I could, I'd change to E-Mech

[ChoSanJuan]

Blowbacks with e-frames will typically come with eyes as well, so another feature that leans towards them being electros

Hmmm... I didn't think about those newer fangled ones with eyes. Hmmm...

[moving_target]

The trigger activation is arguably what defines electro vs mech. Shooting an e trigger A5 vs an electro A5 is very different in terms of possible ROF due to you not having to manually activate the sear

[Number six]

Being able to mech very nearly any electro (given the budget to do so) doesn't make every electro a mech. Dwell can be compensated for by capacitor recharge rate.
I'm of the "If it needs batteries...." logic.

[Tinybear]

Now throw in blow forwards like the E Mag, X7 Phenom , and Cross over

thats harder to define. As they can legit be both electros or mechs with flick of a switch.

but those too are actuated with a sear and mechanical linkage.

but most I think would count a Emag as a electro.

[Shaftski]

No such thing as a true electro technically, IMO. Electrons can't throw paint.

"Electros" IMO are varying degrees of electronic and mechanical integration. If there is a sear it leans more mech. That's what I say a clapper-noid is ....a hybrid that leans more heavily mech so it carries more of the mech baggage such as wear and maintenance. Metal parts can wear over time with a sear. Something leaning more electro just needs grease and o-rings.

[scottieb]

I think of it like a pocket watch. I can get one that runs off a battery. Or I can use one that's fully mechanical. When you open it up and see how it works! It's packed with intricate little parts and pieces and is absolutely amazing. Any electrical anything and you've killed it.

[RuleOfSines]

How about this one, the ACI Griffin Sonic is an Electro-Pneumatic, with no control board. It is entirely down to your trigger finger not to make paint soup.

I voted for E-Mech.

[Fubarius]

Not as hard as it seems really.

Sear trippers are Definitely Electro.

Electro-Pneumatic? No, not pneumatic.

Electro-Mechanical? Yes.

Electro-Pneumatic-Mechanical? That's primarily Rainmakers and E-framed autocockers (and a fun thought experiment on what else could qualify).

Electro-Combustive? That's just the C-3 (needs battery to trigger the propane).

But regardless, the key word is Electro. No battery, no pewpew. A Mech will pewpew all day long with no battery. If I go to the field for a Mechanical day, and someone tries to run their e-framed gun with the logic that their gun isn't Electro since it's not Pneumatic, I'm going to get salty.

[Brokeass_baller]

It uses a battery, has a board, and is fired by tripping an electric switch.

I had no idea there could ever be a debate about this.