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It’s all relative Todays markers are more complex then ever. Making them more simple to fix takes us in this giant technology loop. We make it complex then we make it less complex so it’s easier to work on. Right back to the mech gama core lol -
Using the "same operating system" is such a vague claim that it's crazy. It's like saying a dragunfly cocker uses the same operating system as a Karnivore. Yes they are very similar but the higher end guns get neat features like the ability to tune shot feel/speed.
That being said the operating system is not the main thing anymore. You're largely paying for nicer materials, cool anno patterns, and other pride of ownership details with the higher end guns. Just as it's always been lol
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Well I gave you two already. It's not like I have a magic ball that can see what will be developed next
The biggest problem i see is the lack of new players getting into the sport. If I had control of an R&D department there's where I would be putting my efforts.
Everyone sees different problems though so it's not like I can say which one will get the focus next, nobody here can. You're asking for the impossible, for someone to predict the future for you but assuming that because you can't see it then it doesn't exist.
You're not the first person to say these things and you won't be the last one to be wrong about it either. Paintball will always find something new or reimagined to move on to once the current trends have run their course. Whether the new thing is worth while or not is up to each person. There was a time when everyone thought tanks were not going to get better but as you found out recently, they were wrong as well
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I don’t disagree. But I also believe not all innovations are necessarily better. Not that we should stop trying to achieve better. More so Having the ability to recognize better I think is more important. I’m sure something new and better will definitely come along in the sport. I just really hope when it does it’s a better ball.
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I can think of things that could get better. While having a paintball gun that can create its own compressed air and paintballs and shoot them in a Phantom sized package is unlikely it would be really nice and save me a ton of money. Thinking along those lines though, what if markers could get hyper efficient to the point where we can store air similar to 12 grams in the foregrip and shoot a case of paint off of them? We'd look back at the days of hauling an 88ci tank instead of our T stocks and laugh.
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The biggest improvement in paintball IMO would be not a technology thing but a drastic shift in the market. It would be great to see a return to a cottage industry with many small shops all competing to innovate and make things better. The problem is that you've basically just got KEE, HK, PE, and maybe 2-3 other big brands that dominate the industry and there's no room for smaller companies working at lower margins. These big companies are slowing innovation and stifling quality in a race for the lowest manufacturing cost/highest profit margin. They are run by investment companies that don't care what the investment vehicle is as long as they turn ever increasing profits. This is why paint sucks is because you don't have RPS (a paintball company) making paint, you have Empire (a profit center for hedge funds) making tiny paint with fragile shells because it's cheaper that way.
Modern market forces are fuk. I desire a return to the 90's/2000's small brand marketplace.Comment
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I think the game itself needs a massive overhaul to reflect the 2020s. Paintball is still stuck in the 90s/00s with speedball and woodsball is stuck in the 80s/90s. Neither style is sustaining or growing the game. I’m happy with woodsball the way it is but also realize that unless it’s changed to rope in newer and/or future generations there won’t be much of a game to play and it’ll be considered a fad in the near future.
How we do this is by incorporating tech. Lots and lots of tech. Smart watch apps that show where teammates are, and where opponents are, if they’ve been spotted. HUD masks. Drones that can be operated by a sidelined player or a coach that can coach, perform recon, or even ref. Also recording gameplay needs to be prioritized. These generations need to post stuff on TikTok and stuff. Masks need to have cameras built in to record gameplay. You could also do this with drones.
Ideally the watch, mask, and drone need to be a package deal under 1k. That’s how you get new players quickly and grow fast.
I would even go as far to say to present it as a whole new game to investors and distance itself from the name “paintball”. Get back to NSG or something similar. If paintball doesn’t do it soon, Airsoft will, and then paintball will decline even further and end up like archery or fencing and never be mainstream again.Comment
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As long as they make paintballs they couldn’t kill paintball for me if they tried. I disagree tec is the answer to why an expensive hobby is not Growing right now. I don’t care if it ever becomes mainstream, on TV, In the X games. I don’t care if the major companies and Paintball go out of business. I don’t care about the latest electro, The latest Hopper with Bluetooth connectivity that tells me when to reload. I just want a better Paintball is that too much to ask for.
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I think the innovation we are seeing is less about solving problems and more about creating diversity of design. Maybe a renaissance of the early 00s where each company unique (if not still similar) designs and worked on developing them.
I’ve seen few people that don’t comment on the lack of design diversity and rehashing of the gamma core. Honestly that there are still talented and intelligent people willing to work towards novel designs, simply for their novelty is a good thing.Comment
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Diversity of design? The top players in the game are all using the same engine with just enough tweaks to bypass copyright infringements, sold to buyers as the difference that makes there product better then the next. All while Making claims that are impossible to replicate in real world play due to an imperfect projectile.
🤷🏻♂️ I’m not impressed are you?
Has anything come out in the last 10 years really been all that innovative?
First strike round maybe. Mini Gravity fed hopers that feed good. I see more innovation from MCB members then I do from industry leaders in the game.Comment
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Maybe I wasn’t clear, John/Method development has stated that one of his goals is to work with these companies to replace gamma clones with proprietary designs. Now all these companies working with the same guy limits diversity of ideas somewhat but it’s not like theses been much to be strangled out.
mehh, I won’t be buying anything newer then what I have anytime soon.Comment
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That's basically been tried and it failed hard. Empire evs mask with the HUD, it retailed for somewhere around $700 all told and could track your position and your teammates who also of course had the same $700 mask.
Shocking to no one, even if you can buy the $700 mask, convincing your teammates to also buy the same mask just so yours could work was another matter entirely.
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I remember seeing a price tag on it but admittedly I don't recall if it was a "preorder" item or not.
And yes I'm sure there are some teams/players with high budgets that would purchase it. However the average player or the new player? No way
One of the things that's stagnating the sport is high entry costs, to get a emek and a halfway decent mask/tank/hopper and field fee/paint you are looking at $700 before you ever pull the trigger. That's already a problem, there's no way that player is adding 600 to that to get a mask with a HUD or 900 for some watch/drone/AI gizmo
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I wouldn't say the Gamma core is at the peak of technology but would agree that it's close. My only small complaint is that it has a lot of orings and individual failures are hard to diagnose. E.g. one oring failing causes the gun to shoot full-auto, a different oring failing causes partial bolt cycling, etc.
This is in contrast to Geos, Ions, stacked tube poppets, etc. where there are many fewer orings and generally just leaks at rest if a seal fails.Comment
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Lots of new trinkets come out. Since BPS is low the biggest "tech" change has been moving hoppers further forward of the trigger frame to make recoil feel reduced because of all the mass out forward holding vertical movement down.
There's room for lighter low BPS hoppers like an empire z2 with a small feed plate since the big one was designee to queue up a lot of balls for high BPS
The virtue hoppers wouldn't hold up in high bps play because they are slow. Same with a pinokio. Today they are kinda the best because of size and weight.
Its been like this since bps went to 12.5 and the gtek and etek 5 was released. Those two guns are still current and its been many years.
People don't even know about paintball. There were half a dozen print paintball magazines available at major national bookstores like borders (rip) and Barnes and noble in the 2000s. There's very little normal people exposure to paintball now.Comment
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Sounds like an automag 🌚
Tbf that could describe almost any "spool" type gun. The gamma is about as good as it gets for a self-timing air efficient size efficient setup. It might not be the peak but I doubt we will see the next peak for years maybe decades to come.
People are still looking for the next massive leap forward but as I've said before, it's small nuanced changes that add up over time. Probably mainly in ergonomics would be a huge focus. That's what we're in for as far as "development".Comment
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I gave contrasting examples of spool valve guns with fewer orings and easier diagnosis. To clarify my point: the Gamma core has 10 dynamic seals and 6 static seals. The geo has 4 dynamic seals and 3 static seals.
When working properly, the Gamma core is more reliable, more efficient, quicker responding. But, when/if a dynamic oring fails, a faulty seal will definitely be easier to pinpoint in the geo.
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