Serious allegations leveled at Dave "Youngblood" DeHaan and DYE in lawsuit

[uv_halo]

Not speaking to the merits of the case here but, rather the back and forth about the role of the public in all of this. It's unfortunate that in today's age there are two courts- the court of law and the court of public opinion. These days, in our age of social media-fueled news cycle, it's entirely possible to rightfully win one of those courts and thoroughly lose the other to the ruin of ones life. While neither system is perfect, I have more faith in the former than the latter, especially given all of the crazy ideas (politics, conspiracies, etc) that get the most traction in public.

[DocsMachine]

You’re right, that’s the LEGAL default, individuals are not courts of law and under no obligation to avoid having their own opinion on someone.

-Again, I'm not rendering an opinion on the DYE thing either way. BUT... if it turns out the allegations are false, or even just greatly exaggerated, his name has already been dragged through the mud. That's a stain that can never be erased, regardless of the truth of the matter.

Yes, if they ARE true, he deserves every stain, and then some.

Regarding people being proven innocent, I’m assuming you believe O.J. was innocent then? Casey Anthony?

-Wait, what? Just because I prefer to lean "innocent until proven guilty", one of the founding precepts of the American legal system, that therefore I believe everyone who's ever been accused of anything, is innocent and wrongfully convicted? Please.

Every case is different. Some people are wrongfully accused, and wrongfully convicted. Some are wrongfully accused, but exonerated in court. Some were accused, and convicted in court. And some have been accused and exonerated, despite being guilty.

Kavenaugh is an especially strange example since he was never subjected to a criminal trial, so he doesn’t even have that legal “proof.” He also suffered no actual repercussions from it.

-Except you can still find plenty of people that will gladly tell you he "got away with rape", based on nothing but those flimsy newspaper accounts. Just as you can find plenty of people that do, in fact, think OJ was innocent, and set up by a racist cop.

Again, I am not 'defending' Dave, but neither am I 'accusing' him. I've never met the guy, have never heard any rumors, myself, and apart from liking some of the custom markers he's had over the years, he's never been more than just some name in the magazines to me.

Doc.

[ford]

A clip I've been reminded of is Bob talking about that PSP charging vendor debacle 9 YEARS AGO

This was not too long after I came back to the sport and I was really confused by Bob's comment (2 minute mark), "... The world and God will figure this out, when it's all done..."

I assumed Bob was being a little dramatic about the vendor fee debacle but now you have to wonder if this was related?

You 'innocent until proven guilty' minders... Yes, no one is arguing a better system is just to let rumor and happen-stance rule the day.

My concern and I think why Dye is named in the lawsuit is how long can you hide behind ignorance and 'innocent until proven guilty' if you have a rumored child groomer in your midst?

And look, let me call out. I'm frustrated because when I came back I was told about crazy rumors surrounding Youngblood and wrote them off. I assumed if there was real validity to them the industry would regulate itself and get him out of a position of power... In retrospect that's pretty stupid to think.

[Kp2 Hero]

I also am not defending Dave either , however I agree with the concept of innocent until proven guilty .
The allegations may very well be true , I never said they weren’t . We shall see the outcome .
The idea of attacking one another here on this forum simply because some of us aren’t ready to burn someone at the stake will accomplish nothing . Especially considering the fact that I doubt anyone on this forum supports wrongdoing or despicable acts .


Something that should at least be considered in regards to a major investigation and court case from the 1980’s that I remember . regarding allegations about abuse at the McMartens preschool . After seven years of trials as well as the court of public opinion personally attacking the accused . Ultimately the charges were dropped due to evidence that investigators were coercing and leading the child witnesses statements . The case fell apart as some of the testimony from The kids veered into bizarre , such as children being taken by hot air balloon by witches and abusing elephants from what I remember .
Needless to say the veracity of the investigations participants from detectives , witnesses and prosecutors was seriously damaged

[Jivesauce]

[QUOTE=DocsMachine;n569430]

-Wait, what? Just because I prefer to lean "innocent until proven guilty", one of the founding precepts of the American legal system, that therefore I believe everyone who's ever been accused of anything, is innocent and wrongfully convicted? Please.

I’m not sure how you came up with that interpretation of my post, but I’ll clarify. The point I was making is you were originally presenting the idea that winning a legal case means someone has been “proven innocent” and therefore them being publicly vilified was automatically unfair. I was showing you obvious examples where that does not appear to be the case. As you pointed out, if you don’t like those examples there are many, many other cases both of people being wrongfully accused, or found innocent when we later determined they were guilty, I just went with a couple well known ones.

Again, “innocent until proven guilty” is a legal concept that you’re trying to apply to people’s opinion. The court certainly needs to hear a criminal case with a presumption of innocence. The public is not a court of law, and this particular case isn’t even a criminal trial. People are allowed to say they think the details of a case make someone look like a bad person, just like others are allowed to say they don’t agree, very much like you and I do on the Kavanaugh situation (which was significantly more than a “newspaper story” but I won’t get into it). There’s another founding principle of our country that allows us to do that!

The reason people have started speaking publicly about sexual assault is because the legal system has SO OFTEN failed them in the past. The only way many have been able to find any kind of justice is by naming their rapists and warning the public about those people. I am not advocating for vigilante justice here, but the idea that people should just shut up and trust the legal process is woefully naive. There certainly need to be repercussions for those that can be proven to have made false accusations, but silencing support for accusers of sexual assault isn’t the solution. If you have never known anyone in your life that has been sexually assaulted and failed to find justice, I’m glad for you, but I suspect it’s more common than you’d like to think.

Look, I won’t respond anymore since I know this isn’t the place for this and I’m likely just annoying everyone, but it just irritates me to so often see people say, “whoa whoa whoa innocent until proven guilty, don’t say anything bad about that person,” while the Brock Turner’s of the world walk free with a slap on the wrist because the judge didn’t want to damage a promising young man’s swimming career! The legal system has not earned the trust of sexual assault victims, and the founding precepts haven’t done a lot of good for those people. Please, indeed.

[DocsMachine]

Actually, it was more "this case does not equal that case". Because I was saying maybe we ought to pump the brakes a bit here- or at least not stomp quite so hard on the accellerator- I was therefore also of the opinion that OJ was innocent? That's apples to kumquats.

And, while I agree that all too many people have gotten away with sexual assault- why did it take so long for those movie moguls to get nailed?- the fact is, the "court of public opinion" tries, convicts and executes, regardless of the truth. People have committed suicide because the stain of a wrongful accusation could never be washed off.

Either way it's not a very good situation.

Doc.

[Jivesauce]

Either way it's not a very good situation.

Doc.

We can certainly agree on that, Doc

[k_obeastly]

anxiously waiting for the time when this is old enough news that we can make jokes

[Riot]

I bet that's what he said before diddling those kids...

(also, this is now my second joke, so I think you're good.)

[martix_agent]

anxiously waiting for the time when this is old enough news that we can make jokes

Honestly, there’s never enough time. What sexual assault does to people, especially kids, can ruin/ alter their entire lives.

[k_obeastly]

Thought about that, then thought about some of the cathoholic (yes, that’s the way I say it) church jokes that I’ve heard and decided there is a time when it becomes acceptable.

[Arthur]

Jesus fucking christ, glad I only invested im there hoppers and packs. I do own a DAM wall hanger, not sure if I can look at it the same again.

[MrBarraclough]

Someone asked about the lawsuit in the recent thread on that ridiculous $900 barrel, so I figured I'd update this thread for anyone who still has curiousity about the case.

The parties announced to the court that the lawsuit was settled on 02/03/25, the day that pretrial motions were to be heard at the start of the trial process. The terms of the settlement are confidential and probably aren't known even to the trial court. The judge gave the parties 120 days to either dismiss the case or reinstate. Whatever the terms were, they have evidently been fulfilled. As of 07/08/25, the plaintiff filed a request for the dismissal of the entire action with prejudice, meaning that once dismissed it cannot be revived. Plaintiffs do not dismiss with prejudice unless they have received whatever it was they settled for, if it was anything. No further action appears in the case record. I seriously doubt we will ever hear anything further about this from any party involved. Whatever the outcome was, apparently the John Doe plaintiff felt it was sufficient (or at least acceptable) justice for him, under the circumstances.

To add a little bit of context, there were two other related lawsuits running in parallel with this one. The main case discussed above was in California Superior Court, San Diego division. That's where the underlying allegations of bad behavior were being litigated. The other two cases were filed in 2024 in the US District Court for the Southern District of California. Those were cases brought by insurance companies seeking declaratory judgments as to whether their policies required them to cover and/or defend against the claims in the state court suit. The one brought by what appears to be the insurer carrying the primary coverage was mediated and reached a confidential settlement back in April and was accordingly dismissed. The other one, brought by what appears to be the insurer carrying the excess coverage (pays only after exhausting primary coverage), had very little activity until being voluntarily dismissed without prejudice earlier this week.

My reading of this is that most likely the parties settled, probably conditional on availability of insurance coverage, then DYE and the DeHaans reached a settlement with the insurers that would satisfy the settlement agreement with the plaintiff. That is simply my professional interpretation with no insider knowledge; I could be wrong. Everything I know is based solely off of reading publicly available court records.

What I feel very confident about is that unless something goes very, very wrong, we will never hear another peep about it from DYE or DeHaan or the John Doe plaintiff with the painfully obvious identity.

[Arthur]

Thanks for the update

[martix_agent]

where did you find this information?

[MrBarraclough]

The two declaratory judgment suits filed by the insurance companies are in federal district court and therefore available via the PACER system. I have a PACER account for work. It's $0.10 per page with a max of $3.00 per document to view pleadings other than court orders, but with my account I don't incur charges until I hit something like $15-25 per quarter and my firm pays for it anyway. Anyone can sign up for PACER access. There's a master PACER case locator database that is searchable by party name and will tell you the type of case and in which federal district it is located.

As for the underlying state court lawsuit, I was able to find it via the website for the Superior Court of California, San Diego division. It takes a little digging around, but there's some office called the Recorder of Decisions or some such which has a publicly searchable index. You can buy copies of the filings, but previews of the first few pages are free, so for most short documents you don't need to buy them to understand what is going on. And the docket notations, which comprise the list of actions taken in the case in chronological order, is viewable for free. The precise case number of the state court suit is cited in the insurance companies' suits, so it's trivially easy to look up.

[RPP]

where did you find this information?

"Everything I know is based solely off of reading publicly available court records."

[vijil]

So it's been about 18 months since the last post - just noticed a couple of old Dye jerseys in my wardrobe (including the one in my avatar) and thought of this. Are there any updates on the legal proceedings?

The lawyer's strategy seems to be to lock things up with decades of pre-hearings to wear people out and make bank.

Hmm:

The civil case against Dye Precision founder Dave DeHaan remains gridlocked in court, with the last 18 months defined by a massive battle over insurance coverage and slow-moving procedural delays.
Here is exactly where things stand:

1. The Core Lawsuit

• The Allegations: A civil lawsuit filed in San Diego Superior Court accuses Dave DeHaan of long-term child sexual abuse. The lawsuit claims he used Dye Precision company infrastructure to facilitate the abuse, including allegedly using employees to handle drug shipments.
• The Defense: Both Dave DeHaan and Dye Precision have filed official responses completely denying all allegations.

2. The Insurance Gridlock
The biggest movement over the last 18 months has been behind the scenes regarding who pays for the defense. Multiple insurance companies are aggressively suing to completely distance themselves from DeHaan:

• Great American Insurance: While temporarily helping fund the company’s legal defense under a strict "reservation of rights," they have completely denied any obligation to cover or defend Dave DeHaan personally, citing policy exclusions for intentional and criminal acts.
• Colony Insurance: Colony launched a separate federal lawsuit against David DeHaan, Rhonda DeHaan, and Dye Precision Inc., explicitly asking a judge to clear them of any duty to pay out or provide legal defense.

3. Current Community & Corporate Status

• Procedural Delays: There has been no major breakthrough or trial date set. The case is bogged down in standard pre-trial motions, scheduling arguments, and protective orders. Because the allegations span over 15 years, gathering evidence and coordinating depositions is taking a long time.
• Corporate Activity: Dye Precision's corporate footprint remains exceptionally quiet. The company has kept low activity levels, which aligns with efforts to insulate the brand and its remaining assets from the severe fallout of DeHaan's personal legal battles.

[Spaghetti Overdrive]

That insurance company bit is a big tell, if the numerous first and second hand accounts of experiences with dave (both as victims and witnesses of creepy behavior when domestic and abroad) that have circulated in personal conversations weren't enough on their own.

I'm speaking from a "what I believe is the truth and not legally defensible" standpoint, though. I clearly can't influence anything other than maybe asking a couple friends if they were willing to share details with a lawyer.

[Jsc5150]

So the AI just made stuff up?

[Ecapnation]

Swept under the rug and settlement out of court iirc.

News flash the industry is terrible

[Cdn_Cuda]

With enough money you can make anything disappear.

[Ecapnation]

As an American I know this all too well