Question about a Sale

[Chuck E Ducky]

That’s not reasonable at all. If anything the fault lies with him. The fact he mentioned he was going to half block it, that to me shows he knew it didn’t come with a back block, and now is looking for leverage. I was living him the benefit of doubt. I would fight it with PayPal showing your evidence and see what happens. The may just side with you honestly.

I don’t think this will work out the way he wants it to. Community is too small for those kinds of games.

[l.i caretaker]

He needs to be banned

[Chuck E Ducky]

He needs to be banned

But he is entertaining. I would miss him.. what if I send you the $65 and we keep Price and just don’t sell or buy anything from him. Jk

He’s got a framed picture of me on his wall he’s a bit off… He has gotten a lil creepy lately. But he is definitely a character.

I would definitely post in his feedback thread so other know hopefully he comes to his senses and does the right thing.

[jetenginekyle]

He needs to be banned

Maybe a middle ground of blocking him from being able to see or post in the bst section?

I agree that in this situation a ban would be a deserved outcome... But I would also miss his crazy ramblings.

[MrKittyCatMeowFace]

Do not take my Price away

[Chuck E Ducky]

I have faith he will do the right thing and just move on and continue to entertain us with his ramblings.

[Price]

Items I received:
mozak body(without backblock)
mozak front block
mozak vasa

when I asked where was the backblock this was his answer:





Actual picture of the listing strangely missing on the first page here



I asked : No ff only mozak parts

I received: no ff and all the mozak parts except the backblock


He didint wanted to send a partial refund for the backblock so I had to return the items and opened a dispute, simple stuff.

[jetenginekyle]

$60 usd is pretty dang high for a back block, I cant blame him for refusing that.

Mozak has vasa and frontblocks both listed for $30 so when the back blocks are available they will most likely be that price. Could prob email them and get it now.

I'd say ~$40 is fair since you will need to pay for shipping of course.

[Price]

Whatever. mozak backblock are not availlable to purchase alone end of discussion. Seller didint counter as well and he is at fault for keeping a part that is useless to him and mandatory to the body. Seller didint complete terms of sale and lied here and before. All of this none of your business and youve been lured here and try all your best to get me at fault, facts stands anything sayd out of caretaker mouth cant be trusted and hes the only who decided to be immature about it, me I dont work that way

[Price]

BigRed If admins or caretaker feels its not the best solution it will close. The items are in hands and the dispute can be canceled anytime, it says it will take a month to be revised

[Price]

[woouulf]

1 .Body only. 2.Body and back block. 3.Body and just one block and VA.. 4.Body kit =Body and front, back block and VA...

What did you ask for ?

[latches109]

Would an admin be able to post the original listing language and picture before edits?

[jetenginekyle]

Seller didint counter as well and he is at fault for keeping a part that is useless to him and mandatory to the body. Seller didint complete terms of sale and lied here and before

After seeing your photos of the mostly complete body kit and the date on the messages where he claims not to have the back block he was able to take pictures of not long ago. It is obvious that op was lying when he said the deal was for just the body, he also has had plenty of time to counter offer or figure something else out to complete the transaction. I have come to believe that you took the correct course of action when you started the paypal dispute.

Though I do disagree with it being listed for sale and think that you should at least specify in very clear language that it is currently under dispute. But whatever not the biggest deal in the world as you do mention that you may be returning it.

All of this none of your business and youve been lured here and try all your best to get me at fault,

No and yes, The dispute between you two has been made public so I'm just trying to determine who I should believe so that I can avoid doing business with the party I believe to be lying. I obviously don't have access to the pm's between you two so I'm asking questions to try to figure out both sides. All be it I have been a bit stand offish to you and I apologize for that.

I will also admit that at first I did mostly fall for his side of the story without being able to hear your side. That was wrong I should not have done that, I'm sorry for doing that as well.

[latches109]

[QUOTE=l.i caretaker;n561346]I listed an sold a Mozak Body.
The post clearly says BODY ONLY

am I wrong,,,,I/QUOTE]

Yes you are in the wrong.

The post title says "Mozak Body"



Your post displays a picture with the body, vasa, front block and back block.
If someone purchased the lot for asking $500 they would expect those parts.



It is safe to say Price is referencing how you titled your post. Price asks you to wrap the body separately -he is expecting all the parts.

To your defense "Body Alone" was confusing, but you shipped the vasa and front block. If you had just shipped the body without the vasa, FB, BB, then your reasoning would make sense.

I believe it's the sellers duty to make it clear what they are selling and shipping.

[l.i caretaker]

So if he bought BODY ONLY From Mozak. Mozak would be wrong because theres a back back in pic.

An i was wrong on not payiing his $60 extortion fee. More then ONCE we both said Body only…..

an last did we also forget HESAID HE WAS GETTING MIDBLOCKED. . From the get he had no reason for

a backblock. Hence why the Assclown WANTED BODY ONLY

[l.i caretaker]

Also is i give refund why do i eat the paypal fee an shipping to
Canada for buyers remorse

if he wants a refund ill give ge $200. Im not eating $60 because he cant read a post that says “Body Only”

[l.i caretaker]

Would an admin be able to post the original listing language and picture before edits?

He made offer on BODY ALONE

[the_matrix_guy]

Also is i give refund why do i eat the paypal fee an shipping to
Canada for buyers remorse

if he wants a refund ill give ge $200. Im not eating $60 because he cant read a post that says “Body Only”

90% chance that PayPal will side with the buyer. Just FYI. Even if the buyer didn’t understand the listing completely. Or is lying about not knowing what came with it. Or has buyer remorse. So I would take the loss for the BB. If PayPal approves the return, and the buyer sends it back: you will end up taking the loss for shipping both ways. Shipping costs for the round trip for the whole kit probably exceed the price of the BB. They will deduct the cost of the return shipping label from your account in an “Item Not as Described” (INAS) claim. And then you would still have to re list it and then pay shipping to the new buyer AGAIN. So consider time investment as well. And please note I am not taking sides. Just stating facts. Just learn from this.

Take the “loss” as the price of doing business. And make your listings clearer for future buyers. When you give several options, re iterate with the buyer at the point of sale to make sure they understand what they are getting / not getting with the purchase. And to have a clear paper trail for any potential dubious INAS claims.

Edit: That being said, there’s an outstanding point to consider in determining whether the buyer is abusing PP buyer protections: that is: Mozak doesn’t sell the BB as standalone. So the buyer would have to custom make / machine one. That alone makes it unlikely he is lying about trying to extort you for anything. That alone will make you lose this claim with PayPal. Even though they probably won’t even bother delving into details like this. They normally just side with the buyer in cases like this where there’s so much grey.