I'm in Pfizer's COVID vaccine trial, ask me anything.

[Chappy]

Pro tip, if the article you are reading has the words "no sources or court records are given, which is why the authenticity of the report cannot currently be verified" , then it is likely misinformation.
Second pro tip, they tend to bury these admissions at the end of the article, so make sure you read the whole thing.

[Chappy]

Your going to have to do better with evidence then this. There is no information in this article and the links are a circle of references that basically say the same things without any facts. And they are all very obviously biased.
Edit: The more I delve into this, the more obvious it becomes that this is a misinformation campaign with zero facts behind it. Please provide better information on this.
I mean, this is right from the article you posted:

" The case was published by the family’s lawyer, Carlo Alberto Brusa, on social media. Unfortunately, no sources or court records are given, which is why the authenticity of the report cannot currently be verified"
You may want to do some research on Mr. Brusa, and ask yourself if his social media post is really enough for us to be going on,

[Chappy]

What was the old definition of vaccine? What is the new one? Who changed it?

RE: Life insurance, do you have any evidence to back this up? So far I have not been able to back this up, and it seems to me to be completely fake news.

[BrickHaus]

I had a similar expierence with the rolling symptoms. Tired the first day. Then developed a headache prompting my test.

Next day was sore throat, next day the cough developed, next 2 days it was toral sinus congestion, and yesteeday symptoms seemed to taper.

This morning I got through a light workout while coughing up a lot of phlem, but Im feeling a lot better.

[flyweightnate]

Excellent, thanks. I love me some data.
It really should be apolitical, I agree. I absolutely understand that a portion of the population is unable to read the literature, and/ or will take it out of context, but it's been a frustrating year for those of us able to read the stats and seeing the stonewall.
At least we have observational data.

[lhamilton1807]

Here’s a good place to start regarding menstruation and the vaccines:
https://covid19.nih.gov/news-and-sto...enstrual-cycle
https://www.openaccessgovernment.org...-cycle/127360/

Regarding death rates and how vaccination affects them:
<disclaimer> I DO NOT WANT TO START A POLITICAL DISCUSSION WITH THIS, NOR DO I THINK THE VIRUS CARES WHAT YOUR POLITICS AFFILIATION IS. THIS STUDY SHOWS WHO’S MORE/LESS LIKELY TO BE VACCINATED AND WHAT THE DEATH & VACCINATION RATES ARE IN COUNTIES BASED ON DATA FROM THE COUNTIES THEMSELVES. THE GOAL IS TO PROVIDE DATA TO ANSWER THE ABOVE QUESTION. </disclaimer>
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...vid-death-rate

[flyweightnate]

Yeah, I'm not thinking the vaccine is 100% going to have a side effect. More worried about how often it has a side effect that's worse than covid itself. It's the not knowing that bugs me, because someone should know before distributing it worldwide.

[Fubarius]

One of my nieces, fully vaccinated and boosted, the whole 9 yards... also very pregnant. Got pregnant AFTER getting vaccinated.

[flyweightnate]

I sincerely wish the CDC and pharma would publish data and studies, instead of just summaries. Canada, for example, puts their vaxxed vs unvaxxed death rate right up front... without a time series. I'm willing to bet 100% of covid deaths in 2020 were unvaxxed, for the obvious reason... I'm much more interested in comparing to total percentage of vaccinated population over time, to correct for base rate.

I also want to know, of the trials and of the general population, what the side effects have been. I have a daughter; with the anecdotal reports but no data, no way in hell she's getting an mRNA vaccine. I personally know menopausal women who... stopped pausing... after their vaccine, and it doesn't seem rare. Has anyone studied reproductive effects? Who do I sue if it makes my wife sterile?

These are questions that haven't been answered, but it bothers me that it more seems like people are actively hiding the answers. The "industry" was last to admit it probably came out of WIV research. If you can't be transparent with the data, I'm not sticking it in my kids' arms.

[Fubarius]

Always remember the first rule of the internet. Everything shared on social media is a lie.

It's kind of like quoting the rants of a random drunk guy at the end of the bar. Quite often entertaining, pretty much never factually correct.

[lhamilton1807]

If that’s happening, it’s a crappy way to go about things.

But I honestly have doubts about the entire story. I’ve followed that link and a lot of the links from that article to others. None of them have any documentation whatsoever that any of the claims can be validated, including what the lawyer for the family posted on Facebook (or rather that he posted no documentation at all). I would think a real lawyer would file something in court - lawyers don’t get paid for the number of likes or comments they get on FB; they get paid for legal filings and arguing the case in court. I can understand the mainstream media not wanting to publish a story that doesn’t have anything to back it up - doing so is just poor journalism. The article’s only moment of clarity comes right at the end where it (finally) successfully documents potential rising life insurance premiums due to more claims payouts than anticipated. But that actually confirms the opposite of what the story was written about - insurance companies are paying out tons of claims, not withholding them.

I think I’ll keep my distance from Free West Media. Too much uproar with nothing but a FB post to back it up.

[JohnB]

It was in France for this one, US still paying out currently I think. May be subject to change.

link to story: (MOD EDIT: PLEASE BE ADVISED NOTHING IN THIS LINK IS VERIFIABLE AT THIS POINT, BY THE ARTICLES OWN ADMISSION)
https://freewestmedia.com/2022/01/14...vaccine-death/

[vijil]

Here in NZ the rollout has started for kiddies. There seems to be an admission of sorts among sciency folks that there's minimal reason for kids to get vaccinated other than to help reduce the spread. It's common for our govt to be at odds with the WHO or Pfizer even, always in the direction of more mandates and more lockdowns.

My kids wont be getting it any time soon, though I've had it and I'm fine with it for myself.

I think trust in the news media here is at an all time low. Besides having the biggest PR team in our history, our govt is handing out strings-attached funding to the big news orgs.

[lhamilton1807]

Agreed, there’s a tenuous trust in place with me and big pharma. It’s why I’ve done so much research on the new vaccines; long term pharmaceutical “care” has led to some big health struggles for my mother. For myself I see vaccines as preventative medicine and opioids (and other long-term care meds) as curative medicine. I believe an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, and the case seems to hold for the vaccines (medically speaking). What society/government does with that efficacy is a separate question for me than whether the vaccines are effective or safe.

I’m not sure what you’ve heard about life insurers refusing payout for those getting vaccinated - do you have links? Here’s what I could find on it.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/personal...surance-policy
https://havenlife.com/blog/covid-vac...ife-insurance/ (Notes that for those with comorbidities, vaccination might actually help procure life ins)
https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucele...h=560d609c241c

From what I can tell, the life insurance thing started on social media and included no supporting documentation. Two red flags in my mind.

[JohnB]

Yeah, I think it is a decision each person should make for themselves. Getting mandates and employers involved was a low blow.

The Vax verbiage kinda changed through the rollout. First you won't get it, then breakthrough cases, now it is a therapeutic at best. They also changed the definition of vaccine through this rolling narrative.

Appreciate you being willing to talk about it!

I think I am in the camp of wait it out and get healthy otherwise, loose weight eat right etc.


Big pharam has helped alot of people, they also have hurt tons of people selling product. Seems like one of the last areas where cash runs rampant and they take medical providers out on lavish dinners and trips to push their products, seems to be less caring about a patient and more caring about "standards of medical care" aka cover your rear, and getting the money flow running.

Big hit to the trust people have in these institutions, which was already thinning due to opioid epidemic and their business practices in general.

Life insurance started denying payments to those that pass from Vax, this is where it will get interesting. Big ins vs big pharma.

I guess time will tell.