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    Sniper's velocity lowers during the day- it's gotta be in input regulator...right?

    I've got a mini-sniper here that I custom built and most days it works great- probably my second-favorite gun after my Phantom.
    However, I've got a problem with it that rears its head if it stays gassed-up long enough on a hot day. I've got the reg sweet-spotted, or at least roughly so, so that it doesn't freeflow when the hammer's down, but after chronoing and playing a couple games I'll often find that gun is shooting slower and slower, and when I go to chrono it low and behold the velocity is somewhere around 150psi.

    The first time this happened was at Spring Pump Event last year. I was running the Azodin regulator with the factory reg seat, so after reading about that regulator's reputation I chalked it up to a failing reg seat. So, I switched the reg to an old Diablo Wrath input reg I'd gotten with some other parts. A few months later, same story- the gun would chrono fine but then 2-3 hours later it was shooting way under velocity- presumably because the reg was failing and supplying way more pressure than the hammer was set up for. In the meantime I'd replaced the reg seat in the Azodin reg with a DYE Hyper 3 seat, as others had reccomended, and again the reg and gun seemed to be working fine...

    ...until this past Saturday when the same problem occurred.

    I realize that none of these are exactly the gold standard for quality input regulators, and my first impulse is to throw a bunch of money at the problem and upgrade to an Inception reg for the build and assume that will fix it, but before I do I wanted to make sure there's not something else I could be overlooking. Is there any other rational reason why the gun would be doing this?

    BTW, same paint, same barrel- it's not like I'm touching anything on the gun between readings, and the bolt I'm using is a WGP STO-type that's reversible top and bottom, so it's not like it got flipped upside down halfway through the day or something like that.

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    What’s the output pressure of your tank? Something upstream of the gun HPR is causing them to fail. Too high of tank output pressure or crud in the ASA, wrecking the HPR’s.

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      #3
      The reg seat failing and overpressurizing the gun would be my first guess too and only reasonable thing I can think of. What does the reg seat look like currently and when you replaced it previously? It is torn up or creased at the top surface?

      I may also look at the orings you have in the reg. I think it's unlikely, but if they're getting mushy and extruding out of their glands, I can see how they might drag on the piston and cause it to stick.

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        #4
        Originally posted by nak81783 View Post
        What’s the output pressure of your tank? Something upstream of the gun HPR is causing them to fail. Too high of tank output pressure or crud in the ASA, wrecking the HPR’s.
        ~850. This has happened with multiple different tanks.
        Had a different ASA on the gun until a day or two ago.

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        • Myrkul

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          I don't think tank output pressure is the issue. I run 950 output on all 5 of my tanks, and I've never had a secondary regulator baulk at it. Most of my guns run in the 200-300 psi range too.

        • The Inflicted

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          Yeah. The same tanks are working fine on multiple other guns.

        #5
        Originally posted by tyronejk View Post
        The reg seat failing and overpressurizing the gun would be my first guess too and only reasonable thing I can think of. What does the reg seat look like currently and when you replaced it previously? It is torn up or creased at the top surface?

        I may also look at the orings you have in the reg. I think it's unlikely, but if they're getting mushy and extruding out of their glands, I can see how they might drag on the piston and cause it to stick.
        The DYE reg seat on the Azodin reg still looks new. Everything in there looks fine.

        The Diablo reg uses a nonstandard seat- I'm not even sure I could find a replacement for it, but the O-rings look OK.

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          #6
          Does the pressure gauge on the Wrath HPR work? If so, what was it reading when you get the low velocity?

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            #7
            Originally posted by nak81783 View Post
            Does the pressure gauge on the Wrath HPR work? If so, what was it reading when you get the low velocity?
            I don't recall checking it before or after the velocity drop. Wish I had but there was a lot going on.

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              #8
              The Azodin regs aren’t terrible if you don’t adjust under pressure, which includes taking a clearing shot after degassing. I’m less a fan of the Azodin on/off ASA pictured. I had one with too long of a pin seal some of my tanks and another that would unthread from firing vibrations; both scenarios starve the marker. That said, I just want to confirm, did you experience low velocity with both ASA’s or only one? If only one, which one?

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                #9
                Valve screw and jam nut both snug?

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                  #10
                  Originally posted by nak81783 View Post
                  The Azodin regs aren’t terrible if you don’t adjust under pressure, which includes taking a clearing shot after degassing. I’m less a fan of the Azodin on/off ASA pictured. I had one with too long of a pin seal some of my tanks and another that would unthread from firing vibrations; both scenarios starve the marker. That said, I just want to confirm, did you experience low velocity with both ASA’s or only one? If only one, which one?
                  Haven't actually used the Azodin ASA yet- I just put it on a day or two ago.

                  The larger (32 Degrees?) ASA is the one I've actually been using.

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                    #11
                    Originally posted by nak81783 View Post
                    Valve screw and jam nut both snug?
                    I'll check but wouldn't either being loose cause leaking?

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                      #12
                      Originally posted by The Inflicted View Post

                      I'll check but wouldn't either being loose cause leaking?
                      Maybe, but I’m leaning towards not necessarily. I was thinking of light hammer strikes or valve hole not lined up with bolt hole. The problem being intermittent is perplexing.

                      Maybe try putting the 32 Degrees ASA and Wrath HPR back on under pressure. Let it sit for a while, maybe in the sun to warm it up, as you mentioned, and see what each gauge reads. I’m curious if both pressures go down, meaning that ASA is starving the marker either from the ASA pin going to far or not far enough towards the tank.

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                        What about paint swelling? did you check the paint fit later in the day?
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                          #14
                          If it were just a leaking reg seat, wouldn't you be back to normal velocity after degassing and regassing at the tank?

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                            #15
                            Sounds like the reg piston oring is swelling and sticking.

                            Check the rear frame screw is not protruding in the lower tube.
                            If the hammer has nylon set screws, check they are not protruding from the hammer causing drag. plastic likes to swell in heat.
                            check your valve cup seal. I have seen one get sticky from a shredded oring debris, worked fine cold but would stick when hot.
                            remove your lower tube and clean everything, eliminate the possibility of old orings and paint.

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