Eclipse Etha 3 and M170r are the same

[latches109]

The Etha 3 is a composite plastic version of the M170R.

I took a M170R bolt and directly put it into the etha3 and it works.

[Hooptie]

Wow I had both and never thought to try it out.

[Trbo323]

You guys are just now realizing this? They use the gamma core in most of their lineup these days

Why would eclipse make 2,3,4 different markers when you just make one and dress it differently?

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[latches109]

You guys are just now realizing this? They use the gamma core in most of their lineup these days

Why would eclipse make 2,3,4 different markers when you just make one and dress it differently?

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yes... but this is the first direct swappable I have seen.

With the emek, threaded bolt cap and the Swiss cheese valve body.

[latches109]

Why name it Etha 3? Seems more like a M170P (plastic). I like my plastic when design well, this is not a bad thing - Glock and many others, proved plastic is a workhorse.

[Fossilhead]

Yeah, I've got the 3m. There are some other differences I think.

I do not think the triggers are interchangeable.

Overall I'm very happy with the marker. It's not much to look at. But as far as a workhorse goes, it shoots paint really, really, well. And I don't have to worry about dinging it up in any way.

[TF_Aloha]

Branding. They want "Etha" to be associated with <$500 plastic and GTEK/GMEK (or M160/170/180/ect) to be associated with mid-priced aluminum. They want to sell at both price points so they need to make the two guns sound as different as possible so that GTEK/GMEK buyers don't save their money and get an Etha.

[Trbo323]

Why name it Etha 3? Seems more like a M170P (plastic). I like my plastic when design well, this is not a bad thing - Glock and many others, proved plastic is a workhorse.

Because then little Jimmy would only buy one of the markers. The average player has no idea they have the same guts. But if you give them the same name they will come to that conclusion.

Naming them different means if little Jimmy has the etha, he then wants the 170 as an "upgrade" and once he has it will swear to you until the yeti is found that it shoots way better than the etha

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[coyote]

Why both?

That's sort of of counter to the whole MCB ethic isn't it?

The real question should be " why isn't there an M170 R-B?

B? Brass!

[latches109]

You are on to something, I would get an m170RB

[Ecapnation]

News flash the higher end CS2 bolt also fits in an emek....

[latches109]

but the CS2 has fancier milling for smooth airflow

[Ecapnation]

What ever they did it pulled an extra pod on a 6845 for me

[autococker04]

This sounds like it has the potential to be like the proto matrix line competing too well with the dye matrix line.

[Ecapnation]

This has literally worked for PE for like 6 years ..

The etha 2 and gtek 160 started the gamma core line

[zinger565]

I'd be more concerned with the Etha 3m eating into EMEK sales too much.

[Cyberpyr8]

Same principal as car makers taking a single engine and sticking it it in 5 different models. It saves on manufacturing, spare parts to stock and R&D costs.

This is exactly why I went ahead and put FLE bodies on my Emeks. It's about the same price as a M170R and it's exactly what I want. Heck, I currently have a 3M with a 170R front grip frame. They all have their slight differences but having the same solid core makes them more appealing to me. I know what it's going to do and it's just a matter of what I want it to look and feel like.

[cellophane]

News flash the higher end CS2 bolt also fits in an emek....

Does it affect performance at all?

[Ecapnation]

Zero. The bolt itself is identical.

CS2 does have a gamma pro core so the back end is different but the bolt is the same

[Trbo323]

This sounds like it has the potential to be like the proto matrix line competing too well with the dye matrix line.

Ehh, those are different bolt systems though. There were a few years that the rest of the chassis had more similarities but for the most part the largest thing they had in common is the dye logo.

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[latches109]

they were all identical - DM line had a larger dump chamber to advertise lower pressure, that was the only difference.

[Brokeass_baller]

latches109 is correct. There were also small differences like eye wires vs ribbons. But they were pretty much identical.

[Ecapnation]

Ehh, those are different bolt systems though. There were a few years that the rest of the chassis had more similarities but for the most part the largest thing they had in common is the dye logo.

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Plus dye marketed it as a lower end model.....PE markets it as same gamma core performance at every affordable price points.

[ford]

If the ergos on the 170r and the Emek/Etha platform were the same, maybe the 170P should be a thing.

But, they're different. I like the engine analogy made above. For better or worse, the core is so solid PE can separate its marker lineup from Etha3 to CS3 focused solely on features.

Going back to cars... Whether it's a Honda Odyssey or a Type-R they both can go the speed limit... One just has more bits to tickle your diddles.

[latches109]

Same principal as car makers taking a single engine and sticking it it in 5 different models. It saves on manufacturing, spare parts to stock and R&D costs.

This is exactly why I went ahead and put FLE bodies on my Emeks. It's about the same price as a M170R and it's exactly what I want. Heck, I currently have a 3M with a 170R front grip frame. They all have their slight differences but having the same solid core makes them more appealing to me. I know what it's going to do and it's just a matter of what I want it to look and feel like.

I found the FLE emek and M170R slightly different. I liked the 170R marginally better for the same price point. I like the 3M better than my M170R