Paintball design concepts you can’t stand

[MrKittyCatMeowFace]

Stock parts only

There's no more aftermarket. Hell you can't even change out an ASA at this point. If the companies could just decide on one gas through ASA design then it would open up a whole market for aftermarket ASAs and mounting options.

I like drop forwards, can't do it on the market today because not only is making a gas through drop hard but as it sits you would basically need to make one for each marker. Very small margin for profit there so nobody does it.

Bolts, feedneck, eyes, triggers

It's all gone.

For the most part a lot of it was useless, but that doesn't mean it wasn't fun and I like to see what people choose to do when making their marker "theirs".

Anyone can put money on a counter to buy something, it takes some thought and creativity to turn it into something that suits you better

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Not even about performance. Just kills aesthetic creativity. Can't do a harlequin looking (volkswagen) parts bin build any more if nothing is standardized.

[cheapguitarscheapthrills]

Much like the car industry of today the marker aesthetics have become kind of bland and uniform. When I started everything looked completely unique to each brand. Sure you had a lot of Spyder clones in the low end market but there were so many different electros/cockers out there with distinctly different milling. When I got back in a few years ago I had to focus on such minute details relative to my beginnings in paintball to tell brands and models apart.

[Jsc5150]

Everyone going hoseless was an aesthetic choice, not an actual performance upgrade.

The ubiquitous use of black as the base color for pretty much all soft goods. I roasted my nuts off too many summers because even colored gear is half black

[The Great Equalizer]

I hated exposed hoses with the burning passion of the same thousand suns roasting your nuts, but I'll admit you can't add anything to modern equipment because there is no access to any air channels.

[Sdawg]

The Angel A1 looks amazing, and the stock board and trigger are great, I hate everything else.

[Ecapnation]

That's basically every angels vibe.

[Jsc5150]

Angels are cool but they aren’t good guns.

[Tarsun2]

lol i love my a1 fly but never understood the reasoning behind making a wearable part locked behind a non-servicable component. (looking at you ram engine).

and the SB angel...? that seems like a good choice. /s

[Meleager7]

this abomination.....

https://www.kijiji.ca/v-paintball/ot...ker/1714024489

thankfully not mine!

I still cannot wrap my head around how GI Sportz believed that would sell !? did they think there was a market for buyers, who'd never buy a Tippmann that looked like a real firearm , but instead would put money down for a paintball gun the resembled Nerf ?!!

[Ecapnation]

Because this happened before GI Sportz bought Tippmann... This was all in house before the x7 phenom even

[Tarsun2]

what about the Dynasty Striker? From what i remember, it was made by a focus group and finalized by a committee. A case where trying to appeal to everyone appeals to no one.

[The Great Equalizer]

Meleager7 "... did they think there was a market for buyers, who'd never buy a Tippmann that looked like a real firearm , but instead would put money down for a paintball gun the resembled Nerf ?!!"

Yes. I assumed that was EXACTLY the thought process they went through in the design meeting. Thats how Brass Eagle designed the Samurai and original gray Sabre, but that was in the days when the industry was trying to pretend no one played woodsball any more and everything needed to be TV tournament friendly. By the time the Triumph came out the industry realized it needed to compete with airsoft and standard Tippmanns were a good design choice.

Tarsun2 I once saw someone (probably here on MCB) write something like "The Dynasty Striker looks like a dog hunched over taking a dump." and it does.

[$L!mBo]

im up in here derailing the thread like a "Positivity Patrice"

PAiNTBALL DESiGN Concepts YOU ABSOLUTELY LOVE!

-SLide Triggers
-not busy or super futuristic looking barrel milling
-spiral porting!
-wood grips!

[Myrkul]

I've never had a problem with wood grips. I don't wear gloves though and have never had any slipping issues what so ever.

[The Great Equalizer]

Ecapnation I hear you and agree except for Hogue wood and rubber grips. I have them on one pistol, they feel great, look great and if they weren't $65 I'd have them on a few more models.

[$L!mBo]

I always heard good things about the wood/rubber wraparound Pachmayr grips, but never went out of my way to seek them out. Recently got a benchmark frame from Vito that had em on there. The hype is real!
Nothing else feels like them. the grooves feel deeper than the usual wraparounds everyones else makes. Very squishy in a goodway. And super grippy without being sticky or tacky
if you come across a marker with them, give em a squeeze

[Trbo323]

this abomination.....

https://www.kijiji.ca/v-paintball/ot...ker/1714024489

thankfully not mine!

I still cannot wrap my head around how GI Sportz believed that would sell !? did they think there was a market for buyers, who'd never buy a Tippmann that looked like a real firearm , but instead would put money down for a paintball gun the resembled Nerf ?!!

GI? As long as my memory isn't way off that thing came out long before GL bought tippmann.

That was tippmanns idea through and through

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[FeedTheDogg]

Kingman’s offset holes for bottomline adapters and drop forwards. Why?

[$L!mBo]

lol. this^
the drops probably because at the time, a lot of high end guns had them
the offset mounting holes im guessing had something to do with their fixtures or tooling. they probably had something already set up so they just went with that instead of making up a new jig

[DocsMachine]

The mounting holes are offset to let the air passage from the ASA to the front fitting, go straight through the center. That's how it was for the original Spyders, and they stuck with it.
Doc.

[$L!mBo]

that makes much more sense! thanks for schooling me Doc!

[Trbo323]

Kingman's offset holes for bottomline adapters and drop forwards. Why?

Yes! Also the metric air fittings. It's not as bad for me because I have a whole bin of spyder parts but yeah I would still like it to be standard everything.

I will say though. The one nice thing about those metric hoses is having the o ring at the fitting. You can hand tighten those on and they seal up just fine

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[mikeds80]

My biggest turn off is the use of proprietary consumable parts. Weird seals, detents, etc. But the worst offender, which impact most current guns...the grips. It seems that modern rubber grips just get torn up through normal use and become harder to replace once the gun is out of production.

[DocsMachine]

While I fully agree with your sentiment- I still have an Epic here on the bench I need to reengineer- in many cases it's not always possible to go with off-the-shelf parts.

Detents for example- I'm not sure there's anything like a common commercial product like a Spyder or Eclipse rubber 'finger', and while spring-loaded-ball detents certainly exist elsewhere, the specialized sizes we use on 'Cockers and others, really are kind of specially made for this particular application.

Solenoids? We're at the mercy of the manufacturers. Unless we're willing to buy runs of thousands of parts, they tend to make what their markets need. The market goes away? (Angel 'noids, Ion, etc.) they stop making them.

The flip side is that some proprietary seals- like the donut in a Stabilizer- can be remade easily with off-the-shelf material, a punch and a little patience. That is, in most cases, how the manufacturers made them in the first place.

Doc.

[Sdawg]

I hate when a marker requires a custom-made solenoid that goes out of production, leaving you to eventually have a beautiful paperweight.

[$L!mBo]

another reason to play pump and stock class

[Chuck E Ducky]

For me it’s Back bottle valves and right / left feeds. I can’t hit anything if I can’t sight down the side of it. I can’t train my eye to sight over the top. Power feeds forget about it can’t see over the top or the side.

[Chappy]

Re: the triumph, Tippmann Pneumatics was bought out by capital investment long before GI owned them. The 98 internals in a plastic shell was a shareholder idea. However we can go back to the 98 which was Tippmanns idea on how to put the tippmann drivetrain in a cheaper shell in the first place so they could become profitable and sell out to a capital investment firm…

[Myrkul]

The aesthetics of almost everything. Flames. Skulls. Flaming skulls, “tribal” tattoo looking carny garbage. Anything “bad ass” with no backup.

Names invented by a 14 year old who learned English by watching “attitude” era WWF. “Evil Pimp”, for example. What kind of Juggalo came up with that? The endless gags regarding balls and keeping things clean…usage of terms like “mafia”, “killer”, “murder”, all things down that road. The Ball Sack is a modern product with a name as stupid as the 90s, so is the Death Blade trigger for the Luxe. Death. Blade. Moronic.

I actually disagree with this. Back when I first started playing, "Agg" was very much a thing, and 13 year old me loved it despite not being able to afford anything even remotely cool. Now when I see something with "flames" on it or a gun from "Murder Inc." it just makes me smile. It reminds me of the confidence, aggression, and enthusiasm of youth. Especially with how "politically correct" and toned down our culture has become, I really love remembering a time when guns were named "Evil Pimp" and WDP had naked lady triggers. It never fails to make me smile and chuckle to myself anyway.

Totally in full agreement with you on hating milsim though.

[Jsc5150]

Oh yeah almost forgot:

Straps with naked women on them, especially the ones with a celebrity photoshopped nude

Just… why?

[The Hobbit]

What if it’s their wife and that’s part of their kink?

[martix_agent]

You don't need to share your kink of naked women, when in a public location.

[Cdn_Cuda]

Agreed, the so-called "Dad stash" straps. I'd love to take my daughters paintballing when they are older and not have to deal some walking testicle adorned with porn.