I'm in Pfizer's COVID vaccine trial, ask me anything.

[sniper97]

You have offered no proof the mRNA vaccine is safe. You have ignored the Vacine/CDC self reporting website, with deaths and health issues. Last year I read a covid South Korea article about the spread of covid in a mixed use bldg (office and apts), the outcome was that until you are showing symptoms, you can spread covid. Tried to find it a week later and it was gone.

I have provide proof that covid can be treated early, yet as a country we are not doing it.

Just the fact the data from Israel is much different than the US data,, make me wonder which is true.

[Diomedes]

First, goalpost move. Are those two studies I linked (not the only two, btw, just the first two I googled) within the last ten months? Or do they go back several years?

Second, are we supposed to put our stock in Senate testimony or data? The numbers speak for themselves. The vaccines are extremely safe, the vaccines are extremely effective. Do they have side effects? Yep. Do the prevent 100% of COVID cases? Nope! If that's what you're looking for, good luck. What we have works, and works well. I don't have anything to add to what I've said to you, or, frankly, interest in spending more time on it. "We all known US media is controlled" did it for me. Start getting into "the media is controlled" conspiracies, cash me out.

[sniper97]

Appreciate the maturity. I was hangout with my kids, away from my phone for a while. Just had a friend vaccinated while he had bronchitis, in the hospital for 3-4 days, O2 levels dropped, thought he had lymphoma, still has tingling in fingers/arms and legs/toes. I can provide his phone number if you like to discuss it.

Peter McCullough is a top Dr in his field, published, at a big university with alot of experience who treated covid patients, we are still not following early treatment recommendations from his articles. He testified before the Senate, video provided, was not cross examined. They could have asked him any question they wanted.. 2nd Dr in Senate hearing had almost the same recommendations.

Your thread said to ask anything. Your 2 case studies are very small groups and both recently done, phase 1 only.

There is a Senate hearing video for proof that we are not treating covid early,, which we should be. I think it would save life's. 2 extremely experienced Doctors. Please explain the conspiracy. I have facts to back up my argument. Senate hearing video and medical journal published article.

[sniper97]

Peter A. McCullough, M.D., M.P.H.
Vice Chief of Internal Medicine
Baylor University Medical Center

Harvey Risch, M.D., PH.D.
Professor of Epidemiology
Yale University

[Diomedes]

I'm doubtful that mr. "We all known US media is controlled" is open to new information.

[Diomedes]

The two doctors? Their names? I think I know who you're referencing, and also why you won't provide their names. But I'll let you decide which way you want to go with that one.

[Diomedes]

And while I'm here, questions for all the armchair epidemiologists in here:

1. What, specifically, is the timeframe where these serious side effects from the vaccines are supposedly going to appear? We're like 10, 11 months in for some stage 3 trial participants, and past a year for stage 1, so when do the side effects appear?

2. What would be the mechanism through which the vaccines would cause problems 9-12 months or more after being administered? Related, how long does the mRNA last in your cells? How about the resulting proteins? The answer to those latter two questions are "about 5 minutes" and "a few weeks", and given that, I'd love to hear an answer to the first.

3. What's the frequency of these supposed serious side effects? Given that there were hundreds of thousands of people in the various phase 3 trials, and hundreds of millions have now been vaccinated, what's the rate at which we're expecting recipients to experience these serious side effects?

Yes, I'm being a bit cheeky here, but it is pretty rich, that it's "give me a study for this, show me data for that", but flip the script and are there *any* answers beyond vague discomfort and conspiracy theories? (Edit: I wrote this before the post immediately above appeared. Conspiracy theories it is, I see.)

Answers I expect to get, if any: self-reported reports of complications, misinformation about toxic spike proteins, something about infertility, maybe even something particularly fanciful about "shedding" spike proteins. All biologically laughable ideas, no basis in reality, no remotely plausible mechanism.

Do I sound impatient with this farce? Yes. Am I impatient with this farce? Also yes. Facts [should] matter. Put up or shut up.

Anyway, this thread was originally an AMA about vaccines, covid, covid vaccines, vaccine trials, etc. Not a "throw misinformation and conspiracy theories at the wall" exercise. Perhaps we could get back to that.

[sniper97]

Yes, the vaccines *for the novel pandemic virus* are NEW new. mRNA vaccines are not. They have been tested *at least four times* in humans with no long term side effects, not including the COVID vaccines, with more trials either in progress or starting soon.

I'm seeing a lot of "but it's new" and "but Moderna", but not a lot of data. What about Israel? Oh, turns out Israel is doing great. Going to stop using that talking point, or just stop using it in this particular conversation?

Clinical trial data are public, but let me google that for you:

Flu: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31079849/

Rabies: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28754494/

Again, there you go. Data. Studies. Facts. If you're going to continue to refuse to answer simple questions, I'm going to start ignoring you. Who are the two doctors you referenced earlier, the ones whose opinions should carry more weight than the collective public health infrastructure of the entire world?

Comment on Israel is that they are reporting a higher re-infection rate of vaccinated people vs US and a much higher rate of heart inflammation.

We all known US media is controlled. Any opposimg opinions to Fauci are removed. I will read the studies.

I have posted the Medical Journal published early treatment article 2x's. Look above...or right below.

https://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002...673-2/fulltext

[lhamilton1807]

I get your frustration, but I doubt he’s trying to piss you off directly. Changing attitudes and beliefs takes time. He’s open to discussion so let’s keep it there. I know you’ve repeated yourself and it’s frustrating. I get it.

But regarding the experts that testified, you can click on the link he shared and it’ll show you their names. Below is a list of witnesses from that page. Sniper97 mentioned that around 18 min into the testimony is where the treatments he was mentioning were spoken of.

Witnesses
Peter A. McCullough, M.D., M.P.H.
Vice Chief of Internal Medicine
Baylor University Medical Center

Harvey Risch, M.D., PH.D.
Professor of Epidemiology
Yale University

George C. Fareed, M.D.
Medical Director and Family Medicine Specialist
Pioneers Medical Center

Ashish K. Jha, M.D., M.P.H.
Dean of the School of Public Health
Brown University

[Diomedes]

Yes, the vaccines *for the novel pandemic virus* are NEW new. mRNA vaccines are not. They have been tested *at least four times* in humans with no long term side effects, not including the COVID vaccines, with more trials either in progress or starting soon.

I'm seeing a lot of "but it's new" and "but Moderna", but not a lot of data. What about Israel? Oh, turns out Israel is doing great. Going to stop using that talking point, or just stop using it in this particular conversation?

Clinical trial data are public, but let me google that for you:

Flu: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31079849/

Rabies: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28754494/

Again, there you go. Data. Studies. Facts. If you're going to continue to refuse to answer simple questions, I'm going to start ignoring you. Who are the two doctors you referenced earlier, the ones whose opinions should carry more weight than the collective public health infrastructure of the entire world?

[sniper97]

Articles

The article was posted above, prior to your post. Hanging out with the kids. Don't appreciate your attitude

[sniper97]

Covid-19 found in antibody test in Red Cross blood from Fall 2019

Your own articles state it is new and untested. 10 months, that is 10/2020, when trials started in humans.

Comment from the 1st article you posted a link to:

"weighted toward technology platforms that have never made it to licensure before.”

2nd quote:
Although relatively easy and quick to produce compared to traditional vaccine-making, no mRNA vaccine or drug has ever won approval.

More fun facts: out of 12 potential vaccines, only 2 are mRNA. This is Moderna's 1st and only "drug".and they were founded 2010.

https://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002...673-2/fulltext

Please provide case studies on mRNA.

[Diomedes]

Okay, so you're not going to answer either my questions. Not helping that you either didn't read the rest of that article, or worse, did read it and wrote that comment anyway. Thanks for clarifying where you're coming from and the degree of seriousness you're bringing to this conversation. I hope everyone reading this can see the differences here - repeatedly providing specific information and sources, vs. refusing to answer two simple questions.

[sniper97]

My article is above, looking for actual case studie vs generic articles. Moderna has only existed since 2010. The lady first studing mRNA lost her findings and was demoted, could not figure out how to get it into cells

[Diomedes]

Not that any of this will be convincing to you, but for anyone else reading, this article describes the history of the technology: https://www.statnews.com/2020/11/10/...-vaccine-race/ It goes back longer than I realized - to the 90s.

And here's a piece on side effects: https://www.chop.edu/news/long-term-...vid-19-vaccine

Note in that one that they name four diseases for which there have been phase 1 (which is to say, human safety) trials for mRNA vaccines. No long-term side effects.

Your turn.

1. Who are those 2 doctors?

2. Are you going to stop claiming we've only been studying this for 10 months?