Freaking the Unfreakable?

[DocsMachine]

You'd probably need to go XL Freak but if you bored from the business end and threaded it for a Freak tip would it work?

-I don't know. I haven't looked at my Vector in over a decade. Last I recall, the trickiest part was the front retaining lug. An XL might be possible, but I'm going to have to look.

Can a Bore Drop Buzzard be freak bored?

-Does it already have a removable barrel? If so, probably yes.

In this case, at the moment, I'm looking at a mod specifically for markers that need the insert positively retained, and it'd better still, if they used WGP threads, so I don't have to custom-fit each one. And, near as I can tell, that means Rangers and some, but not all, Carters.

Doc.

[Jordan]

The mounting lug was why I was thinking XL would make it work.... 8" long inserts plus the 3"-ish breech should give lots of room.

If it something you could do I'd be interested in getting a Vector barrel done.

[Guest]

-Does it already have a removable barrel? If so, probably yes.

Doc.

Yes however it is TASO threaded!

[Loophole]

I would take a Buzzard freaky back!

[OpusX]

The OD of the mod would be too big to fit an SL-68, and the "knuckle" where the back meets the tip is definitely too big for the pump bore.

Well I summon nobbie333 to this thread for more pics of his Autococker/SL68 Freak to FreakXL Adapter that BMC crafted.

[nobbie333]

I have been think about for many year than I found this https://stanchy.com/collections/barr...insert-adapter after some thought you could modify this as a thread adapter

The other problem you need to find a way to stop the freak insert from coming out the back on some barrels

[DocsMachine]

Yes however it is TASO threaded!

-In that case, yours would have to be custom-fitted. I haven't had anything TASO threaded in the shop since I sold my Spartan, like, almost 20 years ago.

Wanna get freaky on the 007 you built me should have plenty of room to play with with the barrel extension I put on it. It’s already Phantom internally swapped.

-As I recall, there wasn't enough room to bore a sleeved 007. The groove where the setscrews land winds up paper-thin, and trying to cinch down the sleeve screws, even lightly, would likely dent the groove and possibly damage the insert.

That why my example shown earlier uses that screw-on stub barrel, since I have to take the original barrel extension off.

(Fun fact, I very strongly suspect that threading 007s for screw-in barrels back in the day, is where 'Cocker barrels come from. The 007 body has the "barrel" section pressed in and spot-welded in place. In order to thread it for a barrel, most of that insert needs to be machined away, leaving only the outer body tube ID. That just happens to be very close to 'Cocker bore specs, and the fine 20 tpi thread, just right for threading the tube wall without making it too thin. There's an old issue of APG, I think, that shows a 007 modded for a threaded barrel- and other than the threads being twice as long or so, that's pretty much a 'Cocker barrel.)

Well I summon nobbie333 to this thread for more pics of his Autococker/SL68 Freak to FreakXL Adapter that BMC crafted.

-I'd be interested in seeing that. I almost threaded my old SL for 'Cocker barrels once, years ago. Only reason I didn't was I didn't want to have to rework the pump, too.

I have been think about for many year than I found this https://stanchy.com/collections/barr...insert-adapter after some thought you could modify this as a thread adapter

-That's more or less what I had in mind for the 'retained' mod- not a barrel thread for the add-on piece, but a custom fine thread. The add-on piece doesn't necessarily need to be removable.

Doc.

[nobbie333]

My next version I would like to add Kingman to Autococker threads and add a stop like the factor Tippmann freak barrel

[nobbie333]

I will try to get more picture in the next few weeks
all my part are at a friends house

[Meleager7]

pics of it installed on the SL68II would be great too !

[Alexndl]

I would most likely be interested in a Carter Buzzard freak barrel since I have one comming in the mail soon.

[Chuck E Ducky]

Problem is a lot of them are different threads. Doc would probably need the barrel to Mach it.

[Loophole]

Oo la la! Pics of the buzzard for eye candy? <3

[DocsMachine]

Here's what started this whole mess. A semi-finished and lightly dinged Freak back, for which I entered a slightly incorrect numerical value, as I was trying to tweak the program on my numerically-controlled lathe.



As I said at the beginning, I'd been thinking of a mod to make a "retained" barrel for a good while now, and this was the perfect donor.

After doing a few calculations, I lopped it off 'bout thar, turned a boss and threaded it.



I then dug a suitable piece out of the cutoffs bin that looked like it wanted to join the fun, drilled and bored it, and then gave it a matching step and matching threads.



A little cut-and-try got a good snug fit.



Not shown was a little more cut-and-try to get the depth for the insert just right. But once that was done, I bored it to .693", faced the end to match a Nelson bolt (the O-ring lands on the barrel bore, not the insert bore, but the ball goes entirely inside the insert) and with that dimension, I was able to toss on a ubiquitous WGP thread.



And it's just that easy! One 'Cocker thread classic-Freak back, 1" nominal OD, with the insert positively retained.







Now, anyone wanna loan me a Carter?

I suspect that, like the Bushamsters, the end of the barrel will wind up under the pump grip, so for either a Carter or Ranger use, these will almost certainly need a "Bull" barrel tip, though one could be made to emulate the Carteresque stepped down and AA-drilled factory barrels...

Doc.

[Chuck E Ducky]

That’s Cool! I bet that could work for all kinds of setups.

[Loophole]

Now, anyone wanna loan me a Carter?

I can send you my Mini-Buzzard. Since I plan on buying a freak back for it anyways!

[DocsMachine]

That’s Cool! I bet that could work for all kinds of setups.

-That was kind of why I started this thread. What else needs something like this? Most markers can take a conventional Freak setup- the Carters, the Ranger, and M98s are really the only ones I can think of that would need this kind of extra step.

I was given to understand, though, that the removable-barrel Carters were WGP threaded, but it sounds like some aren't. I'll probably have to mod a handful of these barrels, and custom fit each one.

I can send you my Mini-Buzzard. Since I plan on buying a freak back for it anyways!

-I'll take you up on that! Do you happen to know if it's WGP-thread or not?

Doc.

[Cunha]

Most of them are. The other gun mentioned in this thread is a very old Carter using taso threads. Not common. All the carters most people think of when they say “Carter” or buzzard are gunna be cocker threaded but not necessarily cocker barrel compatible as you note.

You should make the back the same length as the Carter twin radius barrel though, and maybe even relieve the middle like a Carter twin radius barrel. So the pump handle will hit in the same spots it normally does.

It just seems like the right thing to do. I will send you mine if the other poster isn’t gunna send you his. It’s my favorite gun now though so, I’d need it back pretty quick.

[DocsMachine]

New flex for the field:

"Oh, you have a two piece barrel kit? That's nice- I have a four piece barrel!"

Doc.

[Loophole]

[QUOTE=DocsMachine;n353551]

-I'll take you up on that! Do you happen to know if it's WGP-thread or not?
/QUOTE]

Extremely close to WGP Threads but quite a bit Pickier on barrels. Most AC barrels will work for atleast the first couple of threads but might not fit fully threaded in.

side by side with a deadly wind autococker barrel:

[DocsMachine]

Extremely close to WGP Threads but quite a bit Pickier on barrels. Most AC barrels will work for atleast the first couple of threads but might not fit fully threaded in.

-Interesting. I can check it with my collection of barrels, too. If most of those fit, the typical spec should be fine, but it still sounds like there might be some occasional custom fitting.

Doc.