Cup seals

[StockMike]

Does anyone have an CCI-era cup seals they’d be willing to part with? I have now ordered 2 batches from EV, and I’m not impressed one bit.
The first time I ordered them, the seals kept sticking and coming unseated. I’m told there was a bad batch of them that made it out right around the time EV took over. Fine, whatever. Mistakes happen. I ordred another batch of 5 cup seals and they arrived last week or the week before. Today I finally got around to replacing the bad cup seal I had. Immediately I saw they are not the same. They are a solid white color, thicker, and don’t fit as snuggly into the brass cup as the old ones do. I figured I’d gas it up and try anyway. Leaks down the barrel. Took a different phantom, not having any issues, and swapped the cup seal. Leaked down the barrel. Tried 2 other cup seals out of the package I ordered. All of them cause leaking down the barrel.
I have sent a message to EV hoping to get this resolved. Anyone else having trouble getting seals that fit right?

[StockMike]

[flyweightnate]

What, they just got nylon washers from Lowe's?
DocsMachine can you punch a few hundred?

Last time I played my loaner Phantom was acting funny, then stopped shooting entirely. The old cup seal had swollen, then extruded in between the nut and powertube, jamming it shut. A ten year old CCI seal fixed it just fine.

Embarrassing that nobody can get the right bouncy disc to keep the game's oldest continually manufactured platform (right?) running.

[StockMike]

If DocsMachine, or someone else, can make a bunch…. Put me down for at least 10…..

[SignOfZeta]

What a %#@$-ing joke. Verily, this is the lamest.

[russc]

Looks like the old ones are just a simple urethane disc. Not sure why you'd change away from a time tested material.

[XEMON]

They do need to justify the price increase 🙄

[StockMike]

Well Jesse at EV responded to me, very quickly to his credit. His answer, however, seems pretty bogus to me.

“We've moved to a harder material cup seal which works the same and even better than the old ones, as it is less likely to grow from CO2 use. They're also no longer directional like the previous cup seals.”

I thought the old cup seals were very omnidirectional…. Several times I have just flipped one over if it had become worn or torn or anything.

I continuing to state my case and belief that this design of seal is bad news, I hope it can get corrected to everyone’s benefit.

[Chuck E Ducky]

OG cup seals are reversible. You can flip them and get another century’s worth of play out if it.

[SignOfZeta]

It’s pretty pathetic when you need an aftermarket alternative to a still in-production part because the quality has fallen absolutely into the sewer and the manufacturer is denying reality claiming that it’s improved upon.

[XEMON]

given the quality and what they are asking for them, they are soon to not be "still in-production" ...

[StockMike]

Well i sure hope the seals are available elsewhere…. Otherwise there is a finite lifespan on every phantom out there.

[Myrkul]

So when I got my phantom I was able to pick it up for cheap because the prior owner had rebuilt it with an EV cupseal, and "shockingly" it didn't function afterwards.

I just used a drill & sand paper to knock down the brass collar on my power tube a bunch (it was bent to hell anyway and almost destroyed) and then slapped a nylon Spyder cupseal on there. Been using it for about two years and I have yet to have the Spyder cup seal leak on me or have a single issue with it.

[JonM]

If it works, it works. Good to keep in our back pocket just in case.